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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-01-17 03:26 pm

[ SECRET POST #2936 ]


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Re: I think people are unfairly targeting the police

(Anonymous) 2015-01-17 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I kind of agree and kind of disagree.

I think, first, that even if you say that, it doesn't really address the related problem of police being too violent, and even more too violent towards minorities. Even if police views of black men are justified, that doesn't mean that the policies that police use are justified.

Second, I think there's something to be said for treating both symptoms and causes of a problem. Alleviating symptoms is not in and of itself a bad thing.

Re: I think people are unfairly targeting the police

(Anonymous) 2015-01-17 10:02 pm (UTC)(link)
In regards to police being too violent, I don't think that's an issue with the police so much as it is an issue with America's gun culture.

Suspects/potential criminals are FAR FAR more likely to be armed in the US. So the police is more violent as a result.

I'm not saying alleviating the symptoms would be bad, just that I think that it's probably pointless until you hit the underlying cause -- its' just going to crop up again.

You can give police officers as much training on racial sensitivity as you want. But if, day in and day out, they see mostly black men as criminals, then they're going to start profiling black men as criminals -- they're only human and in their line of work mistakes can cost lives.

The only way to stop the profiling would be to have fewer black criminals -- which would mean actually giving black people real opportunities and looking at American society as a whole. Instead of just singling out the police.
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Re: I think people are unfairly targeting the police

[personal profile] a_potato 2015-01-17 10:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Suspects/potential criminals are FAR FAR more likely to be armed in the US. So the police is more violent as a result.

That might be true, but the problem is that the level of violence used against black suspects tends to be greater than that used against white suspects. And your supposition that police, through experience, have been conditioned to think that criminals are more likely to be black doesn't completely explain the fact that they seem less likely to kill armed and violent white suspects.

In any case, while it's unproductive to treat the symptom rather than the cause, it's also unproductive to completely ignore the symptom. The symptoms of racism cause real harm to real people, and should be dealt with in tandem with the cause.

Re: I think people are unfairly targeting the police

(Anonymous) 2015-01-17 10:49 pm (UTC)(link)
"The symptoms of racism cause real harm to real people, and should be dealt with in tandem with the cause."

Agreed…just, I think people are unfairly singling out/targeting the police. I don't think they're any worse than huge swathes of the American public at large. Their jobs, though, mean that their decisions tend to have consequences that actually resonate outwards. Compared to Joe Smith in marketing at least.

And while I agree that treating the symptoms isn't bad, the symptoms are still going to re-appear unless you hit the source.

Re: I think people are unfairly targeting the police

(Anonymous) 2015-01-17 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
"I don't think they're any worse than huge swathes of the American public at large."

The problem is that the police are supposed to be held to a higher standard than that huge, violent swathe. That's why teachers tell kids not to talk to strangers, but that they can go to a cop for help. If we are going to give the police the authority to use deadly force if necessary, it has to be with the expectation that they will use some discretion and common sense when exercising that authority. If they can't, then they need to not be police.