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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-01-17 03:26 pm

[ SECRET POST #2936 ]


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dreemyweird: (austere)

Re: Should we stop weak-manning arguments?

[personal profile] dreemyweird 2015-01-17 10:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Weak-manning is counterproductive because it's a part of the pointless emotional argument culture. You can prove nothing with a weak-man argument, nor disprove anything. People like saying that "this fringe movement is too prominent! it undermines the main group!", but they don't realize that they're literally arguing in terms of "too much" vs. "an acceptable level of", which is a kindergarten sort of discussion. To prove that a fringe movement is "too" prominent, you'd have to talk statistics. Otherwise it's just asinine.

Same goes for the main group's attitude towards their fringe part. Literally how are you planning to prove anything when your argument is just "Well, the main group doesn't condemn the fringe part enough! - No, it condemns it enough!" Are you gonna argue about the meaning of the word "enough" here? Or what?

I don't see weak-manning leading to anything, simply put. If someone wants to argue against a group, they'll have to argue against its shared ideological basis OR they'll have to bring statistics in.

Re: Should we stop weak-manning arguments?

(Anonymous) 2015-01-18 07:34 am (UTC)(link)
That seems reasonable.

Although I suppose there's a pessimistic part of me that wonders whether the emotional argument culture is something that can actually be changed.