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[Not a Harem Heaven, It's a Yandere Hell]

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[Great British Bake Off]

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Do you think we're heading to a situation where you can no longer have all-white casts?

I mean, even for things like a faithful adaptation of Jane Austen.

I was thinking about the backlash against the Hobbit that there weren't any POC characters, and how because it was fantasy, there was no legitimate rationale for it. Also, any movie set in historical Europe invariably has arguments that Europe wasn't all-white, so POCs should be represented.

I'm sure all-white casts will continue for a while but, say in 50 or 100 years, would an all-white cast in a movie always have the critique that there should've been a POC somehow?

I doubt it. I think in 50 or 100 years, the movement towards diversity will have matured enough that it won't be as much of an outrage thing.

At the same time, we are clearly moving towards more diverse movies, and that's a good thing. And while I think in 50 or 100 years time you'll still be able to have all-white casts in the cases where that makes sense, I think most movies will end up having diverse casts. It'll just be the norm. Basically there won't be outrage to drive it because we'll have gotten there.

I think there'll probably come a point where it will look a bit silly to have an all-white cast, tbh.

As, you know, populations merge and people move from country to country, there will be very few places that have a "purely" one-race population. So what most people will see everyday walking down the street are a variety of people. Then it just starts to look really strange when you watch TV and everyone looks the same.

See: 'Friends' and their version of New York.

I would also agree with that as well.

Friends is actually realistic in that people in diverse cities like New York tend to segregate themselves. I know because I live in one, and every time I get invited to a big party, everyone there is white.

It's true. I live in Seattle, and it's amazing the ways people will segregate themselves, almost into their own neighborhoods. The most racially diverse groups of people hanging out I've seen have been on Cap Hill, though, but even they're segregated in their own way: that's the super-queer-friendly neighborhood. (Well, the whole city is super-queer-friendly, but Cap Hill is like the place to hang out if you're young and queer.)

I think, in your proposed situation, it wouldn't be so much about not having any all-white casts, but having stories that are all black, all Asian, etc. So for every all white cast, there'll be just as many all-POC casts. This is alongside just having more diversity in general.

This. Mix up the sources of the adaptations themselves.

Nah. Because outside of fandom and tumblr, the majority of people still don't care enough to NOT go to all-white movies. The backlash might've been loud online, but if it doesn't translate to box office losses, there's far less incentive for companies to do anything different than what they're doing now.

Not for as long as the backlash doesn't affect profit. Movies like The Hobbit having all-white casts gets them some flack online, but it doesn't hurt them at the box office, so producers aren't going to care. And there's always been backlash against the backlash, which isn't going to go away either.

I don't know and I don't care.

No, not even close.

TV, video games, and music? Sure, I think they're all rapidly moving towards more diversity as the norm. The bulk of music and games fans are younger, and TV has always been able to take more risks because failure is so much less costly.

But the big blockbusters are still going for the safest bet possible: attractive white straight people. Unless the entire point of the movie is to subvert that formula, in which case they will still stick as close to the original formula as possible (ex: Brokeback Mountain, where the dudes were gay but otherwise fit perfectly. White Savior films like The Blind Side, where the minority cast members are secondary to the white person.)

The current generation of movies hasn't gotten a whole lot more diverse than movies were in the 80s and 90s, and I don't see that changing any time soon. I think in fandom we get a very skewed idea of what the average movie-goer cares about.

I know you mention Hollywood blockbusters opting for white casts, but do you think independent films will be more diverse? How about non-US movies? I admit I don't follow movies nearly as much as I once did, but I watched Exam on Netflix. It had a diverse cast, but I imagine most diversity advocates would be at best lukewarm to the ending. Still, it's a movie that often springs to mind whenever I stumble across movie diversity discussions.

Maybe the solution is to start adapting more works of non-European origins AND giving them the kind of advertising campaigns they need to succeed. The casts themselves won't be diverse on an individual basis but the industry on the whole will be.

Oh and obviously this is to be done without whitewashing the characters. That wouldn't be helpful.

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