[ SECRET POST #2946 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2946 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Confessions

[(Anonymous)]

but surely the correct response there is "people with those beliefs are stupid assholes" not "people with religious beliefs are stupid"

Re: Confessions

[(Anonymous)]

OP here -- I didn't say people with religious beliefs are stupid.

I said, I think you're religious beliefs are stupid and I don't respect them. I respect YOU as a human being but not your beliefs.

Re: Confessions

[(Anonymous)]

goddammit -- *your religious beliefs

Re: Confessions

[(Anonymous)]

Funny thing. If you can't respect someone's personal beliefs, you don't actually respect them. because you think part of them is stupid and not worth your respect. So basically you respect the IDEA of them.

Re: Confessions

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it's possible to respect 100% of another person's beliefs. If those beliefs that aren't respected are a major part of their identity, I can see the argument that it's the idea of the person they respect, not the actual person. However, I also think that it's possible to respect a person without respecting all their beliefs.

Re: Confessions

[(Anonymous)]

Lol no. There is a lot more to people than their religious beliefs, and if there isn't, there should be. I don't respect the belief that hitting your kids is aacceptable disciplinehbut I don't pretend spanking defines a person. I don't respect ignorant beliefs that are factually wrong, but I also can recognize that people are more than that.

Frankly this is such a dumb argument I'm not sure how to even respond. We have to respect every thing that someone externally believes or does to respect them? You surely can't believe that?

Re: Confessions

[(Anonymous)]

Let me rephrase some of this for you.

"I don't respect the belief that everyone deserves the right to vote, but I recognize that some people believe they should."

I'm sorry, but no. Religion is a huge part of someone's upbringing and their personal culture. you are literally saying you don't respect a huge part of them. I'm saying this as a fellow atheist: you're a goddamn asshole who doesn't actually respect people, you just want to pretend you do because it makes you feel better about being an asshole--just like raging misogynists who came up with the MRA movement and pointed out the "rights" women have that oppress them.

Re: Confessions

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

So you're admitting that some religious beliefs are "acceptable" while others are "not acceptable"? Because "those beliefs" are also "religious beliefs".

Re: Confessions

[(Anonymous)]

yes (provisionally)

Re: Confessions

[(Anonymous)]

If not all religious beliefs are the same, why in the world would you lump them together and say they must be respected?

If, for religious reasons, you believe that helping the poor is a good thing, then sure, I respect that (though I'm personally not sure why you'd need to be religious to believe that). Or say, you pray several times a day for religious reasons, okay, nothing offensive there.

If you believe any load of quackery that religion has come up with, whether it's to me, extremely unethical, or factually incorrect, or offensive in general, damn right I don't have to respect that.

The point is, a belief being associated with religion does not give it specialness that frees it from criticism, or automatically merits respect. Just because you have an irrational belief, doesn't mean I'm obligated to show that belief any respect.