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⌈ Secret Post #2946 ⌋

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Re: Confessions

[(Anonymous)]

Meet the orang asli, the indigenous people of Malaysia:

http://ih0.redbubble.net/image.6154969.2945/flat,550x550,075,f.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_N0etphrdLf0/SwSCKehVbCI/AAAAAAAAFKg/yUIFZECeUKE/s1600/ScannedImage-46.jpg
http://www.exclusiveoutdoor.com.sg/images/ActivitiesPhotos/TamanNegara/OrangAsliVillage/Asli1.jpg

Labeling people... it's not as simple as you think.

Re: Confessions

[(Anonymous)]

Ehhh... orang asli literally just translates to 'first people', it's sort of a catch all term for 'rural / tribal / non-Muslim' rather than a specific way to describe indigenous people. There are similarities to other indigenous groups, I guess, but more because they haven't modernized or they don't live in cities than because they have some culture or whatever. It also covers a bunch different ethnicities with their own varied cultures and customs.

Like - orang asli are a SERIOUSLY tiny minority and most people living around here just don't really pay attention to their existence and see the title of 'bumiputera' (lit: child of the earth / son of the soil) as more valid. By which I mean, Malay people who are not orang asli actually consider themselves equally as 'native' to the land as orang asli in terms of heritage and history.

Re: Confessions

[(Anonymous)]

I don't disagree? My point to mekkio was here are some Malaysians who do not fit her idea of "Asians" and therefore "not brown", as shown in the picture she provided.

Re: Confessions

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, yeah, but most Malays are pretty brown too, as are lots of Chinese who are East Asian or Asian in the sense she's talking about. It's more of a South China thing, the fair / paler Chinese people tend to be Northerners. I'd actually go so far as to argue that the people she linked a photo of (i.e. pretty girls) are not actually representative of how the vast majority of people look like.

http://i.imgur.com/xuWrmIA.jpg is a bunch of Malay kids from Indonesia, this is basically what a lot of Malay kids look like (and they wouldn't be considered orang asli). Definitely not pale East Asian in the least. My own family has people whose skin colour range from pale as all fuck to super dark, but most tend towards brownish anyway. What I'm saying is, you're not wrong, but pretty much close to all Malay people aren't East Asian in terms of looks, not just the orang asli who are like... what, 0.5% of the population there. And Malaysia is a country with a Malay majority population too.

The real thing that throws me is considering people who are from the Middle East as brown, because going by skin tone, the Arab people I know are pale as fuck. It's kind of a thing, there's a lot of discrimination based on how fair people are, and Southeast Asians / South Indians usually get the worst of it.

Re: Confessions

[(Anonymous)]

Again, we're not really disagreeing here. I mentioned the orang asli as one example, not to suggest that all Malaysians look like this. I'm well aware the population has a wide variation in skin tones, I'm not the one who thinks all Malaysian look like the picture of the three women. That's mekkio's argument.

Re: Confessions

[(Anonymous)]

On a related note, how would you describe Filipinos? Brown or Asian. Because in the US, they would be classified by Asian. However, according to your standard, they would be considered brown.

In the US, Asian doesn't mean just pale. It means people from the Asian area east, south and north of India. People from Indonesia would be considered Asian and not brown. It has more to do with facial features than skin color. You can be light or dark but if the majority of your population has epicanthic folds, rounded flatter features and lay east of India, you are considered Asian.

Re: Confessions

[(Anonymous)]

Southeast Asian AND brown? I mean, okay, if you really want to be picky it'd depend on which ethnic group, and I know how those things work in the US, all Asians are kinda Asian. I actually studied there, and it was pretty hilarious that I got lumped in with people with whom I felt I had basically absolutely nothing in common with besides 'Americans think of us as the same, welp'.

Re: Confessions

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt - I'd say they were brown Asians. I don't think the two ideas are mutually exclusive and it's weird to me that some people do.