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[The To-Do List, Brandy/Willy]

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[Avatar: Legend of Korra]

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[The Amazing World of Gumball]

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[Agents of Shield]

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[Game of Thrones]

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[Galavant]

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[Soukyuu no Fafner Exodus]

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[Jamie Dornan from "The Fall"]

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I'm not sure I follow. Stupid kids are, if anything, more likely to say stupid shit after something awful has happened. If you arrest all of them because one might be a threat, you're gonna ruin a lot of lives and probably not even stop the next shooting.

The point is that you first posted that as an example of something ridiculous that isn't a credible threat. But it's something that's actually happened. It's not ridiculous at all, and honestly, as someone who lives very near to where it happened and has friends who lost relatives, it really pisses me off that you'd treat it that way.

He made a stupid joke on the Internet! That's all it took to hang him out to dry, and destroy him so thoroughly he tried to kill himself in his cell! A stupid joke on the Internet!

I get what you're saying, but what's pissing me off is that you think the idea of someone going to a school and killing kids is ridiculous and couldn't possibly be serious even though it actually happened. I'm objecting to your original post, where you treated that kind of threat as something silly that's obviously a joke. It's not a joke to the 27 people who died that day.

I don't think a kid should be put in jail necessarily, but do I think someone "jokingly" making a threat that resembles a recent event should at least be investigated? Absolutely, especially since there are tons of copycats that spring up in the wake of recent events.

I don't think anyone at Sandy Hook got their heart eaten.

No, but the majority of them were children killed by a crazy person, making a threat about being crazy and wanting to kill kindergartners something that should probably be taken seriously, even if it has elements that seem OTT.

I guess I'm coming at this from a really different background. To me, ritual human sacrifice is the most evil thing any human being can do, and I see this as a form of ritual sacrifice--you randomly nab a few people who seem vaguely suspicious, and their removal from the public population magically wards off evil.

But I'm not for completely removing people who make threats from the population. I'm for investigating threats that seem credible, and I think this one is. Safeguards that protect the innocent are important and necessary, but I don't think ignoring threats because they might just be jokes is the best way to do that.

DA

Welcome to the SJWs' idea of utopia. :P

With all due respect, because you seem like an intelligent and reasonable person from previous conversations, what the hell does that have to do with the preceding argument? That seems, at least on the face of it, to be a kind of bizarre model for understanding the thing we're talking about, and I'm hard pressed to see any evidence that this is where the motivation for this kind of thing comes from.

(Also, and this is both totally tangential and a wild shot in the dark: are you at all connected to rationalist communities and that whole side of the thing?)

I hate rationalists. I hate them, I hate them, I hate them. That's a totally different topic, though.

As for explaining myself . . . Bah, this is the kind of thing where I write a story to explain it, because I just don't have the words to put it in an argument. But to make an attempt, I feel like there are a lot of cases where an individual of a group is treated as a voodoo doll for the group. The obvious example is when a Muslim does something horrible, and a whole lot of Muslims get arrested who had nothing to do with it. They're not being arrested to reduce crime in any concrete way--people are just scared of Muslims, so they arrest Muslims, and since Muslims are an indistinguishable mass to them anyways, they feel like they've solved the problem.

I felt like that was the real reason that teenager got arrested. It could have been any teen, and it could only have been a teen, because grownups were terrified of teens at that time, and he accidentally tapped into their fears.

Does that make any sense at all?

It makes sense but I'm not sure that I agree that it's the motivation. It seems like it was a reaction to what the kid did - an absurd, irrational, and insanely harsh reaction, but a reaction.

Also, I'd be really curious about your beef with the rationalists.

For some subjects, "stupid jokes" about them are taken extremely seriously, for good reason--if you're at the airport and you tell a stupid joke about having a bomb in your luggage, you have only yourself to blame for the trouble you bring down on yourself.

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