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Can/should a cis het crossdresser consider themselves queer?

(Inspired by IRL events)

no. wearing certain clothes doesn't make you queer

It depends on how you define queer I guess. Some people use queer for any sort of, er, "gender expression" outside the norm.

Personally, as a gay person, I really only appreciate it being used for people who are actually gay. To me, queer is a sexual orientation (of same-sex desire), not an expression of whatever inverted societal gender roles or whatever. But I'm not going to freak out at a transgender person for calling themselves queer, obviously. If you're oppressed for gender/sexual reasons then I'm hardly going to split hairs.

But a non-gay person that cross-dresses? idk. Are they like, a drag queen, where they go out and challenge gender roles that brings direct attention to the fact that they are expressing a different gender? I'm not nuts about it, but at least its understandable. Is it like, a girl with a short haircut who wears baggy clothes and thus thinks she's queer or something? get off the train.

I'd say transgender people can "count" as queer if they want to even if they're straight, because it's about societal perception: lots of people insist straight mtfs are "actually super gay men who are so gay they want to be women" and straight ftm are "so lesbian they want to be men" and that sort of bullshit. It's not just societal gender roles but how people perceive their sexuality as gay even if it's toward the opposite gender

and obvs transpeople with same-gender attraction count by default

That's sort of the only reason I can't object to trans people using "queer". To me, it IS about same-sex sexual desire - and that's what it's always been about, since it first became a slur. But especially back then but even today, people had very little understanding of what it meant to be gay, thus they assume guys who like guys must secretly think of themselves as women, and such. The whole movement was squashed together.

But ultimately, I don't think queer is about societal perception, but something innate. Otherwise anyone who is somewhat "alternative" will start appropriating the word. There's this trend in the social justice realm for anyone "different" in terms of how they view romance or "gender" to call themselves queer, and as I gay person, I find that very frustrating.

That's the thing, people would argue that straight trans people exhibit "same sex desire" because biological sex and so forth, gender notwithstanding. It is sex linked as opposed to something like crossdressing which is presentation only

At least imho

You realize that not all transgendered people are actually straight, right?

There are plenty of transwomen out there who like women, and vice versa. It's perfectly possible to be queer in your definition of the word while being transgendered. The gender identity part of the equation doesn't actually overlap with the sexual preference part.

Well... duh? But still a trans person is not queer for being trans, they would be queer for actually, you know, being gay.

no you're wrong

no...

No.

Depends on how they relate to it as part of their identity. Some crossdressers only do it for the clothes, others want to incorporate it into their personal or sexual identity.

It's not what you do that makes you queer, it's how you feel about that and how you see it as part of who you are.

The same goes for people who have had sex with a same sex partner and still consider themselves heterosexual. That's perfectly valid as well.

It depends.

Keeping it to the bedroom where it's just a kink, on stage where you take the trouser roles, or twice a year for Mardi, Halloween, and Rocky Horror? No.

Taking it outside of those nice and safe contexts where we giggle about it, to the rest of the world we live in where harassed is harassed, bashed is bashed, raped is raped, and dead is dead? I'm not going to ask questions as long as you realize it's not all about you, and don't make a habit of throwing folks who don't have much of a choice in the matter under the bus.

no. a hobby is not an identity.

haha, try telling THAT to the entire internet.

yeah nobody takes it well

Can they? Probably. They can also consider themselves a llama. That isn't true, either.

Should they? No. Queer is non-het or/and non-cis. Performing gender in an unconventional fashion isn't the same thing.

hell no

Wait, why should they, if their crossdressing is just something they enjoy and not something that actually changes their gender identity?

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