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⌈ Secret Post #2963 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Underbelly: Razor, linked for (live action) sex/partial nudity]

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08. [ SPOILERS for Durarara!! Light Novels ]



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09. [ SPOILERS for Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time/Darkness ]



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10. [ SPOILERS for Naruto ]



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[Banshee]


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Comments

[feotakahari]

I agree with basically everything Kieron Gillen has to say on the subject:

"Obviously, as Moorcock and Mievelle and many others show, it doesn't have to be like that, but when so much shit fantasy accepts turning foreigners into monsters and having your heroes slaughter the fuckers as a standard trope, it's problematic. As much as Tolkein's work lies right at the heart of me as a writer, I'm aware that if I was living in Middle Earth, I'd be an orc. I'd be working in one of those smelting pits until some elf decides to shoot me.

"(Don't start me on Elves. My perennial bugbear. Elves are basically "What If Aryans were right about there being a master race". Fucking Elves.)"

http://toobusythinkingboutcomics.blogspot.com/2013/03/an-interview-with-kieron-gillen-on-kid.html

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not denying the validity of the interpretation. Or even the problematic nature of the trope in classic fantasy (altho I don't quite agree with Gillen's reading of Tolkien).

But there's a vein of thought in which killing orcs in a roleplaying game is Bad Wrong Fun and makes you an actual imperialist and is impossible to separate from the reading of fantasy where the Orc is the Other such that killing orcs is necessarily an imperialist murder fantasy unless it's actively subverted. And that's what I don't agree with.

[(Anonymous)]

Wow that ignores everything Tolkien ever wrote about orcs (And the fact that orcs are elves) and the fact that Tolkien struggled deeply over how he'd written orcs and all the implications he let just be by following Norse epic tropes.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not an entirely crazy reading either, though, given Tolkien's implicit values re: industrialization and progress, especially technological progress, and where he positions his protagonists and antagonists in relation to that.

[(Anonymous)]

That...no. The point was WAR TECHNOLOGY was a bad thing which is understandable from a man that lived through TWO WORLD WARS. I jesus fucking christ would it kill people to do historical research even to just the wiki page.

[(Anonymous)]

no listen that's just not true. Tolkien's conservatism and rejection of progress was much more thoroughgoing than that, intellectually speaking. it was probably most pronounced in terms of war technology & I won't deny that his WWI experiences had something to do with it. but Tolkien is conservative and reactionary as fuck. i don't think that makes his work any less amazing, and i tend to be at the least sympathetic with his positions, but, like. those are the positions that he's aligning himself with. that's the cultural milieu and the tradition that he was a part of.

i mean, seriously, if his opposition is specifically to war technology, how do you account for the most explicit industrialization in LotR - IE the Harrowing of the Shire? Which is also explicitly linked to the side of evil, obviously, and the side that the orcs are on. I mean come on here.

[(Anonymous)]

Usually it's helpful NOT to use the wiki page, which it appears is all you have done in an effort to make yourself seem knowledgeable. See the Anon who replied to you for a fuller explanation.

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly, orcs are a kind of elf. You can't just say that killing orcs equals imperialist murder fantasy. Although fantasy is the term to focus on here.

The original Norse epics might be racist though, I don't know enough about them. The Irish legends have similar themes of evil giants at war with the heroes, and the giants definitely stand for scary foreigners.