[ SECRET POST #2968 ]

[case]

⌈ Secret Post #2968 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Geneforge]


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03.
[All About Eve]


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[Robotech]


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07.
[Akumetsu]


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08.
[Aidan Turner]


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09.
(Transformers: Robots in Disguise 2015)


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[Law and Order:SVU]













Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 024 secrets from Secret Submission Post #424.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

02. http://i.imgur.com/KvMUPSv.png
[Geneforge]

[manzana]

For better or for worse, touchy-subject arguments are scrutinized more closely these days. You get the bad, where you can't just have fun, care-free philosophical times, but the good, in that hopefully it will end up balancing out and next will have more empathetical, considerate peo-

Pfffft- Ha ha, yeah, right.

No, but seriously, we're bound to find a medium point in a few more years.

[dethtoll]

I'm 75% certain I know who made this secret.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Go for it! The last time someone guessed, they thought I was Wicked223 because I love The Twilight Zone.

Re: OP

[dethtoll]

feotakahari -- because of arguments we've had about old cRPGs, of which Geneforge is one (and also a Spiderweb Software game, which came up in one of those arguments.)

Re: OP

[feotakahari]

Okay, you got me. Not like it's much of a secret anyways.

Re: OP

[dethtoll]

VAE VICTIS

Also says a lot about how long we've both been here. :)

Re: OP

[alenxa]

!!!!! I have a partner in Spiderweb love? AWESOME!!!!

[beverlykatz]

Okay, gotta get this out of the way first: HOLY SHIT GENEFORGE SECRET????

Now, I... both agree and disagree with you on the hostility front. I think tumblr has this culture of hyperbole in humor ("i am literally going to throw you into the sun") that's spread into how everyone communicates ("x is actual garbage and so are you if you agree"). I don't think individual posters necessarily intend their remarks to be so aggressive - it's less that they actually feel passionately angry about everything and more that they use a particular kind of language that makes it seem that way - but, of course, words mean things.

(I think it's also a hazard of a fandom populated by younger people. In my experience, older or older-skewing fandoms aren't always as fast-paced or active, but they're a lot less vitriolic for the most part.)

At any rate, it seems like your shades are a tad rosy. Fandom ~back in the day~ could absolutely be as vicious and hostile as it is now, and there's a lot of current fandom discussion (even in DA fandom!) that's reasonable and fun to participate in.

[dethtoll]

Older cRPG fandoms are absolutely more vitriolic, though. I've said it often enough that it's a bit cliche but RPG Codex is the Stormfront of video games. Really creepy people -- I'd rather hang out with the tumblr kids, that's how unpleasant I find old-school cRPG fans.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

A big part of it may have just been that I stuck to the official forums. Folks who started shit got banned pretty quickly, but mods who got too trigger-happy didn't stay mods. I hear some of the unofficial fan forums got way more vitriolic.

[(Anonymous)]

The best have no conviction, the worst are full of passionate intensity

[(Anonymous)]

Everything is intensely personal and a question of rights and being and black-and-white ethical questions. It is a fundamentally incorrect and harmful and poisonous approach but it's also so effective in purely rhetorical terms that I think it's hard to avoid. You know, when all your arguments are based on THAT POSITION IS DENYING MY BASIC HUMANITY AND HUMAN RIGHTS AND IF YOU HOLD IT YOU ARE A BAD PERSON, or some variation thereof, it's hard to beat that argument. Bad arguments drive out good I guess.

[(Anonymous)]

Fandom in the 80s and 90s.

So damn laid back, least the circles where I hung out.

Lot of disagreements, but it was all laughter and jokes.

We focused on fun.

I miss my old friends.

Transcript

[(Anonymous)]

Image: a Shaper holding a light in their hand, with what looks like a dragon embryo in the foreground.

NS: This series has a lot of different factions with very different views of freedom vs. safetly, and all of them except the “greedy bastards” faction have supporters on the Internet. Back in its heyday, I used to argue ethics and philosophy on the devs’ forums.

S: I’ve been looking at the freedom vs. safety arguments in the Dragon Age fandom lately, and I can’t believe how much more hostile they are. I don’t know what the factor is--Tumbrl’s format, more SJ, younger players--but there’s an incredible amount of rage that just wasn’t there in my own fandom.

I know it’s cliché to say the old days were better, but I really do miss those old friendly arguments.

(Why am I even bothering with a secret? I am literally the only person on FS who ever mentions this series.)

[(Anonymous)]

It's not the old days, it's where you hung out in the old days. Utterly poisonous fandom rifts have existed pretty much as long as fandom has, they're just getting progressively easier to find the more interconnected everything has become.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

It probably doesn't help much that Bioware is a lot like Marvel movies right now. Glitzy gloss over mediocre moralism that isn't half as good or insightful as it thinks it is.

[alenxa]

Can't speak to the philosophical arguments within fandom (though I've definitely been seeing a long ugly slide into personally directed vitriol in general online discourse), but YAY SPIDERWEB! The only reason I've never mentioned this series specifically is that I've never actually managed to FINISH any of the games. I always get interrupted and lose my groove so badly I have to start over. Did the same with A5 and Avadon. Really liking the new stuff put into the remakes of A1 & 2 though, so maybe I won't let myself fizzle out this time.

Bonus not!secret: I always name my Shapers after the Forsaken in WoT.