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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2008-01-06 06:05 pm

[ SECRET POST #366 ]


⌈ Secret Post #366 ⌋

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[identity profile] parron.livejournal.com 2008-01-07 12:39 am (UTC)(link)
I would have liked 12 if it wasn't so damned pretentious about itself. One of the reasons I liked 10, for example, was that it didn't take itself too seriously - sure, it was serious, but it wasn't pretentious about what was going on. 12 was OMG SO IMPORTANT.

And in itself, that isn't even so bad - the problem being, like that pretty little blonde girl, there's nothing there to back up it's good looks.

The story might not have been bad--but it was muddy and badly executed. The characters might have been interesting - but they ended up flat and undeveloped and, by in large, completely irrelevant. And so on. I mean, the story was badly executed enough that it had to stop several times so that a narrator could dump exposition down our throats. And I'm sorry. But any story that needs that just to be understood... isn't a good story.

[identity profile] shahrizai.livejournal.com 2008-01-07 01:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I loved its pretentiousness and how it takes itself so seriously. I'm a fan of the Ivalice games, and how they are all serious and that.

I also loved many of the main characters. Of course, most of them were older or from Archadia, but I've always loved the more mature characters, and political intrigue pulls me in. Drace was so unique to me, something new in the FF series. Ashe took no shit from anyone, Basch had the usual tragic past but didn't let it bear him down or deter him from his mission of protecting Ashe, and Balthier was totally suave for me (but I think Squall and Cloud are annoying, so take this with a grain of salt).

I do admit that there were times I desperately wished for more plot development, but the plot development that would have happened wouldn't have been my thing anyway, so I just turned to fic.

One of those exposition moments you probably didn't like - Balthier revealing to Ashe where he came from when they were on the Phon Coast - was one of the ones I loved the most. In the background, Vaan and Penelo are just oblivious to the import of what's going on politically, and Basch is taking a moment to chillax with them, and Ashe and Balthier look on, Ashe always thinking of her duty and Balthier realizing he's returning to his past and finally having to confront his father. There's a lot going on in that scene.

[identity profile] parron.livejournal.com 2008-01-07 01:46 pm (UTC)(link)
In terms of exposition I was thinking specifically of the ACTUAL EXPOSITION DUMPS. Not characters talking to one another, but the screen fading to black and a narrator explaining to the audience what was doing on.

That = Bad storytelling. And that's all it is.

Personally? Penelo was boring and pointless, Vaan was Tidus lite, Basch was total cliche (probably my favorite, but we've seen him many times before). Balthier was totally irritating and "charming" in the way that he wasn't. Ashe was interesting because she was so intentionally dislikable, and Fran was... a sixth member of the party, much like Penelo was a fifth. Cliche and boring - it's like the game decided to remove actual personality and hope that the absence would make them seem more "mature" and "cool."

Age of the characters has nothing at all to do with it. Obviously my opinion is just as subjective as yours, so there's really no point in either of us bringing it up as "proof."

[identity profile] shahrizai.livejournal.com 2008-01-07 01:54 pm (UTC)(link)
In terms of exposition I was thinking specifically of the ACTUAL EXPOSITION DUMPS. Not characters talking to one another, but the screen fading to black and a narrator explaining to the audience what was doing on.

Ah, okay! That's a thing with the Ivalice games - FF Tactics is the same. *shrugs* I don't mind it. But again, different strokes for different folks. I see it as an atmospheric thing, as the narrator is an NPC and seeing it from his perspective is interesting.

I don't like Vaan and Penelo at all, but I accept that I'm not going to like everyone, and just like with characters I don't like I just tend to ignore them.