[ SECRET POST #2973 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2973 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

13. http://i.imgur.com/suoSQTy.png

[(Anonymous)]

Aw, come on, why do you have to suckerpunch me right in the feels, OP? :(

[(Anonymous)]

...this is definitely NOT a secret, OP. *blows nose*

[litalex]

I agree, this doesn't need to be a secret. The ending made me tear up, too.

[(Anonymous)]

Conceal, don't feel...

[intrigueing]

That is such a sad scene. And I love how Data was both deeply affected and showed he deeply cared for her, without breaking character and showing human emotions he couldn't express.

[insanenoodlyguy]

I won't say I didn't get teary eyed even on the 4th watching.

[(Anonymous)]

She's so innocent.

The shows exploring Data's humanity, and her, are so like Bladerunner in the depth of their feeling.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

I think I have to rank this as one of my favorite ST:TNG episodes. Not only for Data & Lal, but for a great Picard moment where he catches himself changing his mind in the heat of a debate, and says it again with conviction.

Transcript

[(Anonymous)]

Image: Data and Lal

Text: Out of all the death scenes I’ve seen in movies and TV throughout my life, this, by far, is the saddest one. It wrecks me every single tome. Nothing else I’ve seen has topped it yet and I doubt anything ever will.

[(Anonymous)]

No, it was awful! It was classic narm! I did like the reactions of the other crew members, but she was created just to be destroyed 40 minutes later and give us ~feels and that cheap shit always makes me mad. I know TV was more episodic then, but Star Trek TNG did well on recurring characters, and they could have done that, or not have been so sappy and awful about it in the first place.

Still, it was better than that DS9 episode where Sisko made Odo torture the baby Changeling (which loved Odo) in the same way Odo had been tortured as an infant, then it died. That was just sick.

WHAAAT?

[(Anonymous)]

I probably missed that one. That's terrible.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not "I know TV was more episodic then." It was a different way of writing stories -- as if they were separate short stories that happened to have the same characters each time, not a single serial story broken into pieces. If you follow your logic, the entire show existed just to end 7 years later and give us feels. Every story exists in order to have some effect on the audience and then end. The length of that story depends on the writer and/or the limits of the format.

Now, this episode may not work for you, personally, which is totally fine...though maybe it makes you look a little silly to bring up in a secret thread the way you phrased it. But puh-leeze don't try to argue that there's something inherently wrong with a storytelling style that has been around since the 1940s -- much longer if you count written stories with the same cast of characters, like the Sherlock Holmes stories.

There's nothing inherently wrong with a storytelling style in which an important character appears for one episode to fulfill a particular narrative function, as long as it works -- and it did, judging by the fact that this episode's quite popular with fans and highly praised, and you're in a pretty small minority. It might take some getting used to, if you haven't seen it done very often, but that's it.

[(Anonymous)]

Nothing inherently wrong with it, but it really didn't work for me, and it's not a hugely popular episode overall. I was actually an adult watching TNG's first airing, so I have seen it done before, and seen it done a lot, and it's something I disliked when characters had great life-changing love interests for one episode, and something I hated when female characters - and it nearly always was - died this way. DS9 was different, and I loved that.

Tl;dr, not saying the episodic style is wrong, but it has some big implications especially when most of your regular cast tends to be male.

[(Anonymous)]

Uh, I believe that was Doctor Mora (the Bajoran who had "raised" Odo) and not Sisko.

Also -- saying that it "loved" Odo? Maybe that's a wee bit of projection there?

[(Anonymous)]

Watch again. Mora did the actual torturing, but it was Odo's decision whether or not to do it. He refused until Sisko told him to "get results" or the baby changeling would be send to Starfleet Intelligence.

What are we meant to think from it changing into Odo's face and then making a link with him on its death? You could argue that it didn't "love" him but bonded with him, which would be fair, but I think we were meant to take away that it had a parent-child relationship with Odo, one that Odo didn't have with Mora despite outward appearances.

[fingalsanteater]

Oh man. Yeah. That episode made me cry pretty damn hard.