[ SECRET POST #2986 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2986 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Tracing is different from using a reference, though. I wouldn't call someone who only traces an artist, since it doesn't take any skill at all.

[(Anonymous)]

You are a fucking idiot.

[(Anonymous)]

Are we using different meanings of the word "trace?" 'Cause, see, the way I'm using it is, "take a piece of paper, lay it over an image, and copy everything," and I don't see how it's idiotic to say that that doesn't take any skill, because it doesn't.

[(Anonymous)]

da

I've heard professional artists say that they were told to trace by teachers in art schools. The students of old masters learned from tacing their teachers.

Tracing is a part of the learning process.

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DA

It is, but as you learn you move on from it and create your own things. The key word in your comment is "students."

To keep tracing after reaching a certain level of skill is pretty sketchy. Or it implies you haven't actually reached a skill level high enough to do it on your own.

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DA

Yeah but they're fanartists. They're not professionals - Unless they comission their fanart, which I think is scummy for different reasons.

My point is, who are you to determine when a person is ready to stop tracing?

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

"My point is, who are you to determine when a person is ready to stop tracing?"

Well surely any self-respecting artist would stop using someone else's work as a crutch as soon as they were at a level where they could achieve that skill themselves. So when they've learned anatomy, they stop tracing someone else's anatomy. And so on. It's pretty simple.

And why would being a fanartist make copying/stealing someone else's work any less "scummy" than a professional? Does the fact they're not being paid mean the morality of stealing is different?

[(Anonymous)]

Most fanartists are not professionals and are just doing it for fun and for love of the fandom. You can't equate the two. Don't be obtuse.

[(Anonymous)]

This.

Unless they don't cite sources and pass it off as entirely their own work, there's no harm. Most fanartists will never afford an art school and won't go on to become professional artists anyway, so what's wrong with that?

I swear, this is like the cosplay thread in this same post. Poeple have fun in a non-professional way, deal with it.

[(Anonymous)]

If you have fun stealing and cheating and being lazy then that's your prerogative.

[(Anonymous)]

Of course you can. If you argue that you can't, then you're the one being obtuse and not a little defensive.

Stealing is okay when it's just for fun. Cheating is only wrong when you're being paid. That's the crux of your argument and you're calling me obtuse. Grow the fuck up.

[(Anonymous)]

there's a clear victim with those two examples and that's why it's wrong

who's the victim with tracing?

[(Anonymous)]

Former illustration student here, I have never ever been advised to trace like in any of the classes I've taken over 20 years. Hell even referencing is questionable unless it's a stock photo or your own. Life drawing from models is the way to go (or in my case, posing in front of the mirror at awkward angles)

[(Anonymous)]

So you weren't advised to trace. Many others were.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you're the idiot here, lol.