[ SECRET POST #369]

[shahni.livejournal.com]

⌈ Secret Post #369 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

- First comment is: Name That Fandom!!
- Can secrets please be worded like secrets? How to Write Secrets time, class! ♥

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Comments

[redseeker]

Okay, again, I never said they were innocent, or altruistic (how is survivalism ever altruistic? It's probably the opposite, if anything). I may be remembering wrong (it's been a while), but weren't they killing etc. in order to survive? Sort of a 'kill or die' deal? I could be completely wrong there (srsly, I needed to get my Square geek friend to explain the story to me at the end, and even he had trouble making sense of it).

And, as I said to the other person further down in this thread, I realise they did have to be stopped (if for no other reason than to give Square some semblance of plot), but, you know, a little acknowledgement (from Sora) of what he was doing would have been nice. And no, I didn't play Chain of Memories. It seemed like a rip-off to have to buy a whole different console thing just to play one in-between not-really-sequel it really pisses me off when developers do that... some of us can't afford more than one console D:

I'm not painting him as anything. This is just how I perceived him when I was playing the game.

Guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree? Because seriously, I only wanted to point out why people might not share your love for him. I didn't want an argument (though usually I like fandomish debates).

[teal-deer.livejournal.com]

They were killing to survive, yes. That does not change the fact that Marluxia, Larxene, Vexen, and Axel (YES. AXEL) essentially torture and mindfuck Sora in order to take over the organization (and they, as far as I could tell, had no interest in getting hearts back). This does not change that Zexion and Lexaeus mercilessly (attempt to) manipulate Riku, treating him not as a human, but as a tool. This does not change the fact that Xemnas was essentially commiting mass genocide.

Dont' get me wrong - I love the org to death, and I hope to god that in whichever game it gets explained that Nomura shows the Six Apprentices as initially good souls who become irreversiably corrupted by the power they attain... but they are, in the end, entirely amoral bastard villians. Including darling Axel and Demyx.

furthermore, as I have analyzed KHII further, I've come to the conclusion that what Xemnas was trying to do was not just get hearts back, but to remake reality in his own image. He repeatedly talks about "Creating a brand new world", not just, "and we can be whole again" like many of the other members do. Xemnas isn't stopping at hearts, he wants all creation. Just like Maleficent (who gets no love from the fandom. wtf is that? she's made of hyperconcentrated win and awesome.)

But I also agree that some acknowledgment from Sora, or possibly attempts to negotiate, to find some other way of giving them back their hearts, would have been better. Why join with Maleficent for god's sake? Why not get the Org to stop killing people, get rid of the Heartless that are already around , or find some other, more efficient way of getting new hearts?

fuck, the org can create fucking artificial hearts (like they gave to the Riku Replica), why not just do that?! *head -> desk*

But I also think the game is better for the ambiguity. Unlike in the first game, no one is right here, everyone's wrong and you know, it sucks. I just wish the game hadn't pretended like Sora was completely in the right all the time :\

... I could go on, actually, making grandiose claims about the influences of Japanese culture on the game (oh, the claims I could make about racism!) but I won't do that since that'll start a flamewar of epic proportions.

[redseeker]

Hmm I think I missed that bit... I don't remember any torture or mindfuck scenes (it's a kids' game, after all) :/ Also I don't know who some of those characters are x_x

With the artificial hearts and Riku replica or whatever, I'll have to take your word for it. I haven't played that game.

I just wish the game hadn't pretended like Sora was completely in the right all the time

Now that was what really got up my nose. It's like we weren't supposed to notice our cute little hero was essentially running around hacking people to death with an oversized key. I guess they thought if they put enough sparkles and Disney references in, no one would spot it.

[teal-deer.livejournal.com]

I wish more people would play Chain of Memories, I really do. Despite the irritating combat system and boofor Game Boy-ness, it is probably the most well written game in the series. The torture/mindfuck is all purely psychological, but Larxene genuinely tortures the kid. all mental, but psychological torture is still torture. Bloodless, sure, which makes it supposedly G, but some of the shit that they do to Sora...

There were times during Chain of Memories that I had to sit back and go "Wait, isn't this a Disney game? o_O"

I think the best part is that despite the Org still being FAR more clearly amoral jerks, there's still a question of what's right and wrong in the game, and also of wether Sora's even acting of his own free will, or if he's -always- been a puppet and always will be. It's... ridiculously dark, for a Disney game.

If you can't buy it (it is very hard to find now) I suggest going and getting a Visual Boy Advance emulator and downloading the ROM. it's not that hard to find, and it also means that you can cheat with it (and do nice things like give yourself all the room cards so the game is less heinous.)

god, CoM is so fucking good and so ignored by the fandom.

[loveotter.livejournal.com]

Agreeing to disagree sounds fine with me. Despite what I've said I actually do wish Sora had stopped once or twice to try to talk to some of the more reasonable Org members like Demyx (though he did attempt to bargain with Saix for Kairi, if you'll recall). I just think arguing that the Org deserves all the sympathy because they were "just" trying to survive (which seemed to be your point at least in your earlier responses, or that is what I gleaned from your words) is illogical and ignores how they were going about it (and Sora's duty, as the Keyblade Master, to stop them).