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⌈ Secret Post #2992 ⌋

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[Grand Theft Auto 5]

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[Zipang]

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[Ricky Gervais]

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[Tokyo Babylon/X1999]

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[Dexter]

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[The Mentalist]

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[The Truth - Terry Pratchett]

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[It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia]

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[Douglas Adams]

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[Black Books]

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[Lucky Star]

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[Edward Petherbridge as Lord Peter Wimsey]

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[Ga-In, Brown Eyed Girls]

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[Oz the Great and Powerful]

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[Colin Baker]

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[9 Hours, 9 Persons, 9 Doors]

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[Yatterman Night]

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[Johnny the Homicidal Maniac]

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[Blake's 7]

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[Game Grumps]

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[Alexis Denisof]

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Well, we agree on this. I don't think passing sweeping judgements is very reasonable in this situation, either. My objection was mostly to your "thank god these things happened, then". It is entirely possible to disapprove of certain past events without judging the people who caused them or being willing to hypothetically "undo" them.

Well, I meant the "thank god these things happened" more in the context of the tumblr post.

If you're saying that slavery was integral to the development of the industrialized world and modern medicine (like that tumblr post was) and my life is basically only possible due to modern medicine...well...I'm going to be grateful it exists because without it, I wouldn't either.

Why do you feel the need to be grateful for everything that brought about good things? I mean, I get feeling grateful for the good things themselves, but... for literally everything that caused them?

If a car with people in it got crushed by a train and in thus doing stopped the train from reaching a damaged bit of the tracks and killing all its passengers, should one feel grateful that the people in the car died? It seems more reasonable to me to feel grateful just for the fact that the people in the train survived.

Well no but the context of the tumblr post was that we should feel awful about the United States and industrialized Europe and modern medicine because they were built on the backs of slaves and, indeed, the post claimed that they couldn't exist without the exploitation of those people.

So if you're saying something that's keeping me alive couldn't existing without doing terrible things to others...well...it doesn't make me wish those terrible things didn't happen. If your contention is that they were NECESSARY for medicine/industrialization to occur then of course I'm grateful they happened -- I couldn't exist without them.

Note that I know YOU are not contending that they were necessary but this tumblr post was and it's what got me thinking about this.

Well, I can't know either way, of course. You're right that there might've been a direct link between inhumane experimentation and the development of modern medicine and technology.

Again, I don't see why you equate "feeling grateful for [thing]" with "not wishing [thing] didn't happen". These are dramatically different sentiments, and the latter definitely does not imply the former.

I can understand your objections to the post in question, and I would scoff at it, too. However, it's not because the goodness of modern medicine somehow makes slavery less bad. It's because the implication that you have to feel bad about any good thing as long as it was in some way contributed to by a bad thing is utterly idiotic.

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