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⌈ Secret Post #3002 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye/Transformers: Robots in Disguise]

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[Gary Barlow, Take That]

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[Sherlock Holmes]

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[Criminal Minds/Law and Order: SVU]

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[Gekkan shoujo Nozaki-kun]

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[Buffy the Vampire Slayer (episode: Prom Night)]

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[Breaking Bad]

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[Night Shift]

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[Neil Patrick Harris, Stephen Fry, Neil Gaiman, Stephen Colbert]

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[clockwise from bottom left: Dinosaur Comics, Romantically Apocalyptic, Homestuck, Nedroid, Sfeer Theory, Bite Me!]

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[Dragon Age]

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Eh.

NPH is my age. Like really, really close. So I can see how he's done some questionable things, and then think about what an insufferable twat I have been over the same time period, and let it go.

I liked Jeeves, but otherwise find Fry a bit smug.

Gaiman has always suffered from being the sort of accidental heir of Alan Moore's ridiculous adoration. He's a sort of passable horror comics writer, somewhere below Joe R. Lansdale and not quite as annoying as Bill Willingham. He's all right when you (and he) understand him in his place, which is not all that awesome.

Stephen Colbert is pretty good at playing an insufferable ass. He's kind of a dork, but I appreciate some of what he does. I don't really know if it's been good or bad for America, though.

What's wrong with Willingham?

Your mileage may vary, but I like Willingham better as an artist than as a writer.

I could never get into Fables. I guess his DCU series with the occult heroes was OK. I actually kind of liked Coventry, for the art and worldbuilding, but he started getting into really trippy gross-out horror and then pulled the plug on it.

He's just, kind of a weirdly self-righteous personality for someone who writes bizarrely morally deviant characters, and a lot of his stuff rubs me two wrong ways at once.

I think if I were a horrorwriter, others may say much the same as me, though.

He just bugs me. Fables never made sense to me.

"I think if I were a horror writer, others might say much the same as me, though."

(typed too fast)

"MIGHT say much the same OF me."

Argghghghghg

Thanks for taking the time to answer me! I only know him from Fables, and I don't know anything about him personally, so I was wondering if I was missing something juicy.

I don't know about "juicy."

Batman fans kind of dislike Willingham, I think. Is he the one who killed off Steph?

There's a funny story from ~25 years ago about how Bill Willingham showed up at a small publisher's office when they didn't pay him, and walked the publisher to the bank to withdraw enough money to pay Bill for his work. I'm not sure how much physical violence was involved. That's about my only story about Bill himself.

He was promised money. The publisher didn't give him money the right way. He got what he wanted. Good for him.

I give him more grief for breaking the illusion with arch-conservative snipping in Fables. I still love that series and will miss it when it's gone but saying that Fabletown is like Israel? Ha ha NOPE.

Really not a Willingham fan these days, but I do think the first couple years of Elementals was pretty good. Then again, it's possible I just read it at the right age.

Oh, and some of his porn comics were harmless and hot.

I don't see Gaiman as inheriting Moore's audience. Gaiman's audience is kind of its own thing. Plus, it's much easier to outgrow Gaiman than Moore.

Well, Gaiman sort of inherited some of Moore's publishing connections when Alan flounced off on his own, I think. Or rather, he was useful to Karen Berger at DC, because he is a nice guy who enjoys the vastness of comic-book mythology without diving straight into the gory and cynical (Jamie Delano), cursing everything as insufficiently manly (Garth Ennis), or getting absurdly self-important about his revisionist fanfic (Alan Moore). Grant Morrison was another good one to have around for similar reasons.

But I agree that Gaiman has a different audience from Moore. Apparently Sandman attracted a bunch of Robert Smith fans and it ballooned from there.

The idea that people are not outgrowing Alan Moore, and that it's hard to do so, makes me sad. I've been reading his stuff long enough to see what tropes he keeps falling back into, and it's not always even well-executed. :(

On outgrowing Moore: that's not unfair. Moore does have tropes and bits he returns to again and again, and some of his stuff works better than others.

That said, I think his tropes are richer and more interesting than most comics writers', and his batting average is higher.

Pre-movie Watchmen was a revelation, and remains one of the high-water marks of superhero comics. His short pieces for things like the Green Lantern Corps and The Spirit Archives remain influential classics. The Killing Joke, problematic though it is, is still the best Joker story ever. Whatever Happened To The Man Of Tomorrow? was a perfect eulogy for pre-Crisis Superman continuity. His run on Supreme is delightful. From Hell, again pre-movie, is a stunning look inside a conspiracy theory. D.R. & Quinch was hilarious. V For Vendetta was a landmark indictment of the Thatcherite neo-fascism that Britain has too easily endorsed since then. And you know what, I absolutely loved Lost Girls. It was one of the most thoughtful, funny, sexy comics I've ever read, and it engaged fearlessly with complicated issues of fiction and fantasy that most people prefer to ignore.

...do forgive my loquacity, I'm quite drunk. But I stand by all of the above statements.

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Juicy?

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