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⌈ Secret Post #3013 ⌋

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Anyone got any thoughts? Personally I find it dispiriting that a group can so blithely decide to hijack an award, and for reasons of such petty racism and misogyny too.

I can't decide between just not voting this year, and voting "No Award" across the board. It has clearly been devalued by this, no matter what anyone claims.

It's depressing. I'm still absorbing some of the nuances of it, but for Vox Day of ALL FRICKIN' PEOPLE to benefit from the vote-rig campaign is really chapping my ass.

Then there is whole anti-intellectual drive of it, of only works which have pop-culture (or at least what the sad puppies consider ought to be pop culture according to their prejudices) success ought to be considered and nothing overly intellectual should be on the slates. Ugh, just so much ugh.

Anti-intellectualism in Science Fiction literature.

Truly, the world has turned topsy-turvy.

Yeah. I know. The thing is, most of these "Sad Puppies" don't give a shit about anything other than social control. While in the past that was seen as the enemy of SF, and most SF was about social control being bad and breaking down barriers, the Sad Puppies have seen a world which genuinely is on the way to SF's meritocracy and their merits are not quite what they thought they were. Vox Day, one of the prime movers of the SP movement is quite insistent on the natural superiority of the "white" race. And one of the others engineered a situation where he got his fans to block vote a Hugo nomination just so he could "graciously" turn it down (because you can't be called a loser if you decline the competition). Obviously one is objectively far worse than the other, in the sense they are a true-believer of horridness and the latter is just a piece of self-aggrandizing scum who saw an opportunity, but it is still soul destroying the way they have both engineered a situation where they are getting people to vote for the person with the least vision.

I think the thing which worries me most about this is the deliberate outreach toward a certain set of online wreckers; outreach which was deliberately couched in terms of “this is another way to hurt your enemies, the social justice warriors” rather than any mention of actually supporting anything positive.

I suspect this outreach to be more indicative of their true intentions than anything else they’ve done. By their actions shall ye know them.

Oh, it absolutely shows their true colors. They can claim to be all about enthusiasm for SF and inclusion for some vague group of people they think don't have a voice (i.e. dogwhistle terms for old white guys who lean hard right or at least anyone who isn't female, non-white or liberal), but their campaign to make this about beating the nasty feminists and SJWs makes it clear what they really mean, nudge nudge wink wink.

They do not have a single dry shit about the genre. They just want to score a "win" by lifting up their clique as a whole and their own underwhelming work in particular.

http://voxday.blogspot.jp/2015/04/the-gates-of-hell-shall-not-prevail.html

Holy shit, one of the guys behind this is such a nutjob he is actually pro-Spanish Inquisition.

This is a surprisingly common position among your real far right Internet weirdo nerds (aka neoreactionary dudes)

Neoreactionaries are to politics as Satanists are to religion.

They don't actually believe the shit coming out of their mouths, they're just trying to say the most unpopular thing they can, or did they just BLOW YOUR MIND, DAD?

Maybe I don't understand how Hugo voting works, but can you not simply note for people who aren't on the Sad Puppy wishlist?

If you are voting on even a single thing (there are a couple of categories that are Sad Puppy-free) then just leaving the rest of your ballot blank is not enough. You have to leave the Sad Puppy nomination off, and also vote "no award". The Hugo awards system basically is a form of run-off ballot, in general it works well but it can produce some squirrelly loopholes that these racist homophobes are actively trying to exploit.

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