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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-04-05 03:44 pm

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Re: piling on some more I guess

(Anonymous) 2015-04-06 05:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I still consider myself sex positive, but a lot of sex positive people have definitely gone right over the deep end. There's no willingness to actually think critically about things at all. And it's like, guys, sure, sex is great and people should not be shamed for liking it or having it, but just like with anything else, there can be bad things about it and it can be used in bad ways.
scrubber: Naota from Fooly Cooly (Default)

Re: piling on some more I guess

[personal profile] scrubber 2015-04-06 07:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I find some aspects of sex-positivism worthwhile, but ultimately I think it's handicapped by a flawed premise. It's one of those accepted Liberalisms that America is some kind of giant Shaker commune where the powers that be ONLY pressure woman to live up to the image of a pure, virginal, asexual mother-type of woman. This is a gross simplification of sexual... I don't fucking know, politics? Culture? In America and pretending that that's all there is to it creates these reactionary schools of thought like sex-positivity that are genuinely willing to lavish praise on any kind of expression of sexuality as revolutionary without analyzing the underlying motives and purpose of the act. All it ever seems to do in practice is shut down discussion, so what's the point? And that's before we talk about the movement being co-opted by creeps and look at how it intersects with race.

It's all incredibly masturbatory (har), even when it's not just outright offensive.

Re: piling on some more I guess

(Anonymous) 2015-04-06 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, thinking about it (largely because of this thread), I kind of feel like, while I still think the basic idea makes sense & I'm comfortable with it being a sort of reflexive position, I'm not sure it makes sense as an identity or a movement more broadly.
scrubber: Naota from Fooly Cooly (Default)

Re: piling on some more I guess

[personal profile] scrubber 2015-04-06 09:22 pm (UTC)(link)
That's how I've come to feel. It's given me some food for thought, but I'm tired of eating the same thing over and over again and so I'm moving on now.

Re: piling on some more I guess

(Anonymous) 2015-04-06 08:51 pm (UTC)(link)
That's a good point, because there definitely is the opposite pressure. Once in a committed relationship, women are often expected to be completely sexually available, to the point where women with low libido are made to feel broken.

Sex positivity should be as much about being able to say "no" as it is about dating "yes," but it's usually not. And I do agree it tends to take a view that's way too simplistic.