[ SECRET POST #3015 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3015 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Puzzle & Dragons (Japanese Mobile Phone game)]


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03.
[Thunderbirds]


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04.
[Avenged Sevenfold]


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05.
[Umineko no Naku Koro ni]


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06.
(Donald Tusk, President Of The European Council)


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07.
[The Hobbit]


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08.
[Nicholas Lea]


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09.
[Vocaloid]


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10.
[Grimm/Angel]


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11.
(the Tale of the Princess Kaguya)


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12.
[Jimmy Carr and Sarah Millican]


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13.
[The Phantom of the Opera]


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14.
[How to get away with murder/Liza Weil]


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15.
[Once Upon a Time]


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16.
[Inazuma Eleven]


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17.
(Aiden Turner in Poldark)


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18.
[Star Trek: Into Darkness]


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19.
[Nathan Fillion]


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20.
[Harry Potter]


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21.
[Sherlock]


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22.
[MCU/The Avengers (film series)]


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23.
[Gillian Anderson]









Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 05 pages, 106 secrets from Secret Submission Post #431.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

The only thing Moffat's voluntarily-celibate-heterosexual stance tells us is that that's what Moffat brings to the table. That doesn't make it true.

Except that it does.

[(Anonymous)]

(ayrt)

except it doesn't.

it states what Moffat intended.

no more.

[(Anonymous)]

(sa)

different fandom, words that are not mine (saw through reblog of a reblog many moons ago and tracked down again just for you, you're welcome), same issue: http://s-cornelius.tumblr.com/post/67774856999/dean-is-straight-no-amount-of-your-childish

writer says dean is straight. that does not make him so.

writer says sherlock is straight. that does not make him so.

parent says their child is straight. that does not make him so.

[(Anonymous)]

We're getting into fanon delusion here. Writer says Dean is straight, Dean is straight. "Death of the author" is violently abused in fandom, and this is just another misuse of it.

Dean is not bi, Sherlock is not ace. I wish they were, but if they've been stated to be heterosexual on multiple occasions by multiple writers, then...I'm sorry, but that's what they are in canon.

In fandom, of course, they can be whatever you want them to be. But that isn't in fact legitimate representation.

[blitzwing]

The issue isn't so much "we get to interpret the text" as it is "the author's idea of what constitutes X does not jibe with reality or how everyone else defines X". Such as how you can have an author write about a man kidnapping a woman, stalking her, threatening her, slapping her, and telling fans it's a healthy, non-abusive relationship.

In other words, there may be fannish delusion, but authors can be wrong or deluded too. Sure, it makes my butt hurt to think of someone insisting they know better than me about my characters, but it doesn't change the fact that I (and other writers) are humans with gaps in our knowledge, and that we can be acting off of faulty information and misunderstandings.

[(Anonymous)]

Mm, but I'd argue that "unknowingly writing an bisexual/asexual" still really doesn't count as legitimate representation, because author intent does matter.

I agree (as you've said elsewhere in this thread) that Moffat doesn't really know what he's talking about as far as asexuality is concerned, but Sherlock doesn't even begin to come off as asexual-- in fact, he does entirely come off as a repressed heterosexual, which is what Moffat intended in the first place. So it's sort of a pointless conversation as to whether Moffat's ideas on asexuality vibe with the reality of asexuality. Sherlock himself doesn't jibe with the reality of asexuality.

[diet_poison]

an author's relationship to their characters is NOT comparable to a parent's relationship to their children...like at all

[(Anonymous)]

No, see, it really does.

You can argue and whine and write all the "omg this is so badly presented!" butthurt, entitled meta you want, it still doesn't change the fact that if a creator explicitly states that their character is/isn't XYZ then they're not.

How successful or not you think that may be is your business, but it doesn't change canon.

[(Anonymous)]

Canon is what happens "on screen".

Interpretation of canon -- including the author's -- is still interpretation. So no, the author's "what I was intending, by Author McAuthorson" is not canon.

If you want to treat Word of God as absolute, go for it. But not everyone does.

<insert Bible joke here>

[(Anonymous)]

(sa sorry I am chatty)

I am not arguing that Sherlock is necessarily ace, by the way. I'm just saying that Moffat intending to write a 100% straight Sherlock does not make that the truth about the end result.