[ SECRET POST #3016 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3016 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

18. http://i.imgur.com/bMQx7Yt.png

[kallanda_lee]

But, according to Freud, isn't that only for girls? And wouldn't that mean he has penis envy (for a penis he doesn't have)?

[ginainthekingsroad]

Well in the image OP chose, Hamlet is being played by a woman. So that just makes their phrasing extra confusing.

[kallanda_lee]

The secret is rather confusing.

[fingalsanteater]

A Hamlet complex is pretty much defined as a Oedipital complex, right? A character accused another character of having a Hamlet Complex in a book I was reading and I had to look the term up, but I'm still not exactly sure if it's an version of the Oedipital complex or not.

[(Anonymous)]

... As far as I was aware, they're the same complex, just that Oedipal is a boy for his mother, and Elektra is a girl for her father? If I haven't missed anything (and Freudian psychology really isn't my strong point, so that's more than possible), are you saying you think Hamlet had a gay, sexual thing for his father, or that you think he was actually a girl?

OP

[(Anonymous)]

"are you saying you think Hamlet had a gay, sexual thing for his father"

Yes.

Re: OP

[fingalsanteater]

Lmao. I feel like I need to reread Hamlet.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Hm. Wish I had "known" that. It would have made "Hamlet" more interesting to read.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

ARGH STOP USING QUOTATION MARKS FOR EMPHASIS, IT SUCKS.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Why? Literally nothing in the text makes me think that.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Not OP but nothing in the text makes me think he wants to fuck his mom either, but that is just how some people play it. You can play it any way you want, its why people have such varying interpretations?
And maybe its the scene where Hamlet sits his mother down and essentially goes "why did you marry claudius when my dad was WAY HOTTER" in act iii that makes OP think that.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Oh hey, Orson Scott Card has a book about that premise that you'll LOVE.

Re: OP

[blitzwing]

...If you have any more headcanons for the other plays, you should share them.

I dunno about complexes . . .

[feotakahari]

But I was really off-put by that Mel Gibson version of Hamlet, the one where he snogs his mother. It doesn't make sense to me that he'd be so worked up about his mother's unfaithfulness to his father if he wanted her to be unfaithful with him.

Re: I dunno about complexes . . .

[(Anonymous)]

Roland Mushat Frye makes a good case that Hamlet doesn't have a thing for his mom at all; he has a political problem that all of Europe was agonizing over at the time, so it's not really a surprise that Hamlet has some trouble deciding what to do about it.

Re: I dunno about complexes . . .

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Post-Tudor England perhaps. Not all of Europe used the same rules for the transfer of power, and Claudius's reign would have been perfectly legal and more logical in some centuries and some periods. The only real rule of monarchy is the Golden Rule: the guys with the most gold (or sheep, or cows) make the rules.

Re: I dunno about complexes . . .

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly what aspect of power transfer in post-Tudor England did you think I was talking about?

Frye's argument was that Hamlet's problem is about when it is permissible for a subject to resist his prince. Which was certainly not a problem restricted to post-Tudor England.

Re: I dunno about complexes . . .

[(Anonymous)]

In the Mel Gibson version, the actress playing Gertrude was only something like twelve years older than the actor playing Hamlet -- I looked it up when we watched it. They really played up the Oedipal thing and it was annoying. (--I actually liked that movie's portrayal of Ophelia, Laertes, and Polonius, though. When Polonius was giving his advice speech to Laertes, Laertes shared this "here he goes again" eye roll/smirk with Ophelia which drastically changed how I saw the character -- it made him a sympathetic grieving son and brother rather than just an idiot asshole.) (Anyway.)

It doesn't make sense to me that he'd be so worked up about his mother's unfaithfulness to his father if he wanted her to be unfaithful with him.

Eh, it could make sense in a really disgusting way if he's claiming to be mad about her being unfaithful to his father but actually mad she's not with him.

Re: I dunno about complexes . . .

[(Anonymous)]

I guess the concept of hypocrisy just flew right by you.

People criticize others for behavior they themselves indulge in, or only critcize someone's behavior when it doesn't include them all the time.

Re: I dunno about complexes . . .

[(Anonymous)]

Pfft. People are hypocritical like that alllll the time. It is always ~different~ when it is them.

Re: I dunno about complexes . . .

[(Anonymous)]

Sometimes I think you have trouble understanding how human emotions work.

[(Anonymous)]

I have no thoughts about the text content of the secret, OP, because The Divine!

[(Anonymous)]

What an attractive Hamlet

Transcript

[(Anonymous)]

Image: La Bernhardt as Hamlet

Text: I don’t get why people think Hamlet has an Oedipus complex. I think it’s more likely that he has an Elektra complex.