[ SECRET POST #3016 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3016 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

...you haven't seen Orbit yet, have you, OP?

[(Anonymous)]

DA

To be fair, Avon was well off the deep end by that stage. For a lot of the show, you could argue that his relationship with Vila actually was about the healthiest relationship he had with anyone (Cally was another relatively good option). By season 4, though, after everything that happened with Blake, Servalan and Anna, Avon was beyond saving, and poor Vila very nearly paid the price. If Avon's sanity hadn't been steadily going down the toilet, and if he hadn't been obsessed with a variety of other people - essentially if they'd happily buggered off together after S2 instead of letting Avon's Blake obsession override everything else - it might never have gotten to that point, and they might have salvaged something halfway workable.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Eeeeeeeeh, I feel like you're reading way too much into this, anon. Avon's expression when Orac chirpily answers "Vila weighs seventy-(was it three?) kilos" was less "off the deep end" and more "Well, now, this is going to suck." Even when he was prowling the corridors, you could see the man was conflicted over what he had to do. Constantly swinging between trying to lure Vila out/watching his own back in case Vila got the drop on him, vs. wondering why he was in that sitch in the first place (since it could/should have been Tarrant).

Plus, don't forget their joint stash of funds from Freedom City. Gauda Prime was in the future, at that point, surely they would have made some arrangements that only both of them could access the money at the same time. Though Avon could likely override that....

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I'm not entirely sure what you're disagreeing with here. I don't think Avon ever actually wanted to have to make that choice, I'm just saying that when he had to, he wasn't exactly the sanest-seeming man in the universe. That part where Vila's hiding in the dark listening to Avon prowling, there's a reason he's afraid, where he probably wouldn't have been even a season earlier. Avon's decision-making skills, particularly along the loyalty vs self-preservation axis, took one hell of a nose-dive after Anna in particular and the trap using Blake at Terminal. By late S4, he's at the point where nobody's quite sure which way he'll jump in any given situation.

Even in the bad old days in S1, there was a reliability to his self-preservative instincts, and if he jumped in an unexpected direction, it was usually to the benefit of those he was with. The original crew grew to trust that about him. By 'Orbit', though, that's fallen by the wayside. After everything he's been through, from the outside Avon looks like he could do just about anything, from saving their worst enemy to killing the woman he'd been tortured for. Even if he really wouldn't, even if his loyalty had probably only gotten deeper towards the few he still had left, his actions weren't exactly stable enough for people to be laying bets on. Vila was afraid on that ship because he honestly wasn't sure what Avon would choose. Avon's visible conflict prowling around the ship probably did the opposite of helping in that regard, too.

I think ... I think for Avon to have been salvageable, you'd have had to have gotten him pre-Terminal for definite, and preferably before the revelation of Anna's true allegiances. After that, his paranoia and desperation were visibly ramped into high gear. Servalan and Anna between them had stripped away his ability to trust in either people or situations, and that made his actions and his demeanor a lot more volatile and difficult to trust. Which is rather spectacularly borne out two episodes later, on Gauda Prime, but I think Vila got that early glimpse in 'Orbit'.

Orbit is the point where the last of the old guard loses his trust in Avon, and I think also the point where Avon finally loses trust in himself as well. By the time he gets to Blake on GP, he's so primed for the idea of betrayal and so volatile in his reactions to it that there really wasn't any other way things could have gone.

[(Anonymous)]

I think Avon's behaviour in Orbit was perfectly sane. It was (as far as he knew) him or Vila. He's conflicted to a certain extent, he doesn't WANT to kill Vila, but if that's what it takes for him to survive of course that'd be what he tries to do.