[ SECRET POST #3016 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3016 ⌋

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 084 secrets from Secret Submission Post #431.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 1 2 - repeat ].
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Now you're just making different arguments and grasping at straws here.
Obviously, you think your opinion is a fact and objective even though your obvious shipping of the rival ship. Doesn't create the basis for any discussion and derailing the point with long essays about fandom entlitlement with non canon ships doesn't change the original one.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not making different arguments -- I'm addressing your points.

Kindly refute them if you think they're false.

It's not opinion that they never address the discrepancies in Spock's behavior in TOS and the reboots. That is fact.

You want some of my issues with Kirk/Spock too? Well here they are:
-I hate that Spock feels the need to bring up Kirk's dead father during the hearing
-I hate that Kirk is made first officer and Spock doesn't put up more than a cursory protest against it
-I hate that Spock (completely illogically and illegally) throws Kirk off the ship
-I hate how neither of them ever apologizes (Kirk for what he says, even if he felt it was necessary and Spock for assaulting another officer)
-I hate the goddamned KHAN scream that's so fucking over the top and unbelievable
-I hate how Kirk now uses insults about Spock's biology ("pointy") when in TOS he was the first to speak up against bigotry against Spock -- and they never explain this difference in the reboots either

Want me to go on?

Thing is, I can fix a lot of this shit in fic. And I do. But that doesn't mean I won't criticize the writing of the film.

And here's the thing -- me shipping something else doesn't mean my points aren't legitimate. Someone who ships Bella and Mike in Twilight is not wrong if they criticize Edward/Bella as being abusive you know. If you can provide support from the text, that's what's important. And that's what I've done.

[(Anonymous)]

You still sound like a ridiculously hypocritical twit, and yeah, your being a Spirk fan is having a lot to do with that, so it sure as hell makes your points a lot less legitimate to any reasonable person. Mainly because you keep passing off your opinions of Spock as objective fact rather than, you know, subjective interpretation. Also because you keep bleating that Spock/Uhura is objectively OOC given the canon that exists, but again given the canon that exists, do you admit that Spock/Kirk is just as (if not more) objectively OOC with that canon?

Because I've seen a shit-ton of Spock/Kirk fans blow their tops at just the notion of that, and bite people's heads off when their ship is called a crack ship (which, considering how neurotic you are about Spock's logic and just the points you listed in your post, it fucking is).

You also keep insisting that Spock/Kirk's OOCness is more okay and easier to like because it's not canon like Spock/Uhura, which is bullshit hypocrisy when your main stance isn't about the entire audience and their mothers accepting the ship, but rather your bafflement that people would ship it at all. And I think you know that. If the OOCness of one ship isn't an issue to stop you shipping one ship, you shouldn't have this much problem getting why it wouldn't be a barrier for others on a different ship, ffs.

[(Anonymous)]

DA> whilst you of course are doing the exact same thing. Neither of you is objective. Which actually is fine, as long as you understand that.