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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-04-12 03:20 pm

[ SECRET POST #3021 ]


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(Anonymous) 2015-04-13 03:29 am (UTC)(link)
I don't agree all writing is propaganda, it definitely exists, but it does not have to be. I always hated that about AP literature. How we'd have to find deeper meaning and symbology in EVERYTHING even though it seemed like a stretch most of the time.

Sometimes people want to focus on character development, mystery, plot, or whatever else. It does not have to have some hidden commentary. I know some authors get offended that people are finding a hidden agenda in their writing. Just because some themes might fit with real life issues, doesn't mean the author was trying to allude to it.

To me propaganda is easy to spot because there is bias towards one real life issue and demonizing the other side. I don't think everything ever written is done with this intention. Certainly not the things I've read.

I also don't like when people label something as propaganda for whatever cause when the author has not said it was. Propaganda is intentional, not just a coincidence that happens to line up with something else.

[personal profile] anonymouslyyours 2015-04-13 04:07 am (UTC)(link)
I subscribe to the notion that The Author Is Dead and also that intent isn't mandatory to create propaganda so agree to disagree on technicalities if you want.

(Anonymous) 2015-04-13 12:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay, but the problem is that that's literally part of the definition of propaganda:

noun
1.
information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.
2.
the deliberate spreading of such information, rumors, etc.
3.
the particular doctrines or principles propagated by an organization or movement.
4.
Roman Catholic Church.
a committee of cardinals, established in 1622 by Pope Gregory XV, having supervision over foreign missions and the training of priests for these missions.
a school (College of Propaganda) established by Pope Urban VIII for the education of priests for foreign missions.
5.
Archaic. an organization or movement for the spreading of propaganda.


If we're talking about attitudes and POVs that are all just happening to come through in someone's writing, because we're all influenced by the world around us and we can't help but have the way we think come through in our work, that's not propaganda. Like, it literally is not propaganda. Propaganda has to be deliberate. Intent is completely necessary for it.

[personal profile] anonymouslyyours 2015-04-13 02:01 pm (UTC)(link)
All literature is negligently unintentional propaganda.

Nobody creates anything with their biases and perceptions completely checked. I still accidentally say crap that embodies propaganda I wholeheartedly disagree with from time to time. But my intent doesn't matter to my listener when they're processing second-hand propaganda. So whatever you call it when someone writes something unintentionally that someone else then uses as propaganda.