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⌈ Secret Post #3034 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Maybe you should ask for links to ones with better art?

[blitzwing]

Not to bash on Flaky Pastry (I used to read it for a while) but it's no where near "as good as it gets" for webcomics. A lot of the comics people have recced here have better art. Oglaf has better art. O Human Star does too (although the style and coloring isn't for everyone). The Gamercat, Phoenix Requiem, OotS, Chester 5000 XYV, and a bunch of others have better art.

They're not the best I've seen but Flaky Pastry isn't either. The really gorgeous ones usually progress really, really slowly, because the artist doesn't sacrifice quality for a regular and speedy update schedule. As a result they don't usually have large followings and often die in indefinite hiatus.

Re: Maybe you should ask for links to ones with better art?

[raspberryrain]

I know Oglaf, but I had never heard of The Gamercat. That's really good art! The other three are good, solid comics, too, though I disagree about them being better than Falingard.

I guess I read ugly comics. Oh, well.

Re: Maybe you should ask for links to ones with better art?

[blitzwing]

I read a lot of ugly comics too. I think the story is more important to most people. Pretty art is just a bonus.

I'm not saying Falingard is bad. But you can look at his early art versus his latest art and see improvement, and he still has areas where he can get a lot better. His character poses/movement aren't that smooth/fluid--the kind of thing you only notice in an artist when they post a 2008 vs. 2014 art quality post and you see just how much better their character stances and actions look.

His biggest issue to me though, is that he doesn't seem to have an eye for color. His color selections seem fairly random, instead of mood setting or appropriately picked for contrast and compliment. It's not the worst problem, and I've seen it even on pro cartoons before. It can really bring down the "wow, nice art" factor though, even if everything else is good.

Re: Maybe you should ask for links to ones with better art?

[raspberryrain]

Well, I see what you mean, but I think it's a matter of taste. To me, the other end of the scale, the two-tone style of something like Oh Human Star or Gastrophobia reads as a...cut corner? Sort of. Not bad, but very, very stylised.

Re: Maybe you should ask for links to ones with better art?

[blitzwing]

It's really not though? I'm not talking about preference (I like loud, bold colors! Soft, dreamy colors. Or, I love dramatic monotones!). I'm talking about how he doesn't seem to use color to any effect at all, or with any real forethought.

The two-tone IS very stylized but it's a stylistic choice. Flaky Pastry's doesn't look a style choice; it looks like the artist doesn't know how to use color to any effect.

Re: Maybe you should ask for links to ones with better art?

[raspberryrain]

I think it's a different philosophy of colour design, really?

Whatever, the point is, there are a lot of webcomics out there, and if you don't like one, you might like another.

Re: Maybe you should ask for links to ones with better art?

[blitzwing]

What do you mean by philosophy of color design? If someone isn't using color design, that's not a philosophy of color design (with very rare exceptions). If you look at newer Order of the Stick, it uses a similar color style (no odd monochromes, or particularly artsy color choices) but it uses the colors consciously and effectively.

Design means conscious choices, designed to do certain things for the story or at least the page. The colors in Flaky Pastry just look like they're there for the sole purpose of it being colored. That's not color design, or at least, it's color design on so amateur and basic a skill level that the issue of "well it's okay if you don't like it" doesn't even apply. We're talking about an artist lacking in one of their technical skills, not "they made a style choice I don't like".

Like Isayama (creator of Attack on Titan) has art that I like. He also doesn't have a solid grip on anatomy--his characters sometimes show up with anatomy fails like a freakishly small, poorly drawn hand. That's not about his style. That's him lacking in a technical artistic skill (anatomy).

The point isn't "move on to another comic" the point is, Isayama (and the Flaky Pastry guy) don't have an overall solid grasp of certain artistic skills and techniques. Whether you like their style, their comics, or not.

Re: Maybe you should ask for links to ones with better art?

[(Anonymous)]

You've been making some really good comments in this thread.

Re: Maybe you should ask for links to ones with better art?

[blitzwing]

I love to talk about comics and art.

Re: Maybe you should ask for links to ones with better art?

[(Anonymous)]

I can tell. It sounds like you draw some. Do you have any artists you particularly like?

Re: Maybe you should ask for links to ones with better art?

[blitzwing]

I do draw some. I don't really have a favorite artist or someone I would point to as standing out above all the others I like. I like nature art, surrealist art, and pixel art, I like bright colors and warm images. But honestly I like all kinds of different art styles and themes, with the exception of abstract art.

For some random modern-day artists I like (because saying "I like Da Vinci" or "I like Albrecht Durer" just feels weird, everyone knows them and their skill and talent isn't really debated) there's Kurt Quilaquil, Maja Wronska, Simon Kono, Markus Vesper, William van der Merweand, and Paul Richmond (he does male cheesecake and m/m romance covers that crack me up).

Re: Maybe you should ask for links to ones with better art?

[raspberryrain]

I mean, what you call "good" colour design is probably wholly irrelevant to what Falingard is trying to do. He uses colours as part of his characters' design, but he doesn't use them in the same way you're talking about.

It's not just different techniques or different skill levels, it's a whole different idea of what colour is for.

Not all artists approach a given medium the same way. Falingard seems to be intentionally going for bright high-contrast colours as a way of making the images clear and memorable. That is a legitimate function of colour design, and it serves his art pretty well.