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Eh, not sure about the pagan, tho' it's deffo a pagan-ish? ritual type thing...astral travel is more like the Eckankar people (please do not ask me how I know this please I'm begging you), ergo, "I stood on the Face on Mars today!" (Heard this from an actual Eckankar person ca. '86 or so. Don't get me started on dude who claimed to be able "access the Akashic records" when he was Eckie-ing or w/e) Whereas this thing is (there's literal research on it, posted to the sub) basically hacking your brain's pattern-recognition software, and then being hella pareidoliac for a day or so after.

I'm not familiar with Eckankar. *embarrassed* What little I know about pagan shit is mostly just by knowing a lot of pagan people and randomly hearing them talk about things. So while I KNOW people who do astral stuff, I actually know very little about it.

What you describe with the pareidolia kinda alarms me, but then again, the way our mind works, that'd be bad news for us. Whatever does it for them, I guess.

--Rogan

Huh, yeah, that would be interesting...if "you" jumped, which "you" would you be? (...I think I just gave myself a headache...) Pareidolia is basically seeing patterns where none exist, b/c we are programmed to see patterns as a part of being conscious/aware.

Eckankar is like the Church of Happyology, only invented a half-century earlier by another failed SF writer, and their recruiting model is more MLM meets the JWs. Which is as succinctly as I can put it.

Enh, depends on who was doing the "jump" and under what circumstances. We've had phenomenae like that in our headspace pretty regularly, and often, it's just one guy being like, "Okay, I'm off to work, see you at five!" It's not particularly spiritual or remarkable. But he practically never fronts. And I personally believe that it's not actual going anywhere, except maybe into a different part of our mind.

In our case, that kind of pareidolia is kind of a warning signal that something is wrong and we need to stop and take stock. Our original had a habit of hiding in a fantasy world rather than dealing with real life, and that kind of "Everything is connected!" can be associated with that here.

--Rogan

Edited (My fucking computer desk fell apart and my keyboard fell down posting this comment in mid-sentence. -_-) 2015-05-03 21:53 (UTC)

Huh, that's interesting. Because I'm religious myself (nothing as freaky as discussed), I do believe in a big picture way that everything happens for a reason. I just don't think it's meant for us (mere mortals LOL) to know what the reason is. Like the old proverb goes, "Men make plans and God laughs." Pareidolia, if I understand it correctly, is more small-scale "~~CheezWhiz~~ Jesus on my toast" type stuff; it's what you make of the patterns you see, not necessarily the patterns themselves.

Yeah, in my case, I find it deeply comforting the idea that the only reason anything happens to me is what I personally ascribe to it. With our history, it's honestly the kindest thing. There is no higher purpose, no reason, no significance. I am a mote of dust in the universe, and THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT.

Yeah, that's what I mean. Like, when I start seeing patterns everywhere, thinking everything is a sign, that's really out of character for me, and a sign something has gone wrong in my head. Alternately, it means that my memory might be shifting, which is something that usually requires immediate solitude and quietness.

--Rogan

Ah, I see. Thanks for the explanation! The "memory-shifting" (Blackouts?) sounds so very very very not fun. Props for finding a way to deal with it!

Actually, it's more a blackout in reverse: memory coming to us that was formerly inaccessible. It's extremely disorienting, and usually very upsetting. Sometimes they'll get dredged up because we see something similar, and have that weird feeling of significance. Which is all well and good if it's just us, but someone intentionally trying to induce that in us is not kosher.

--Rogan

Ohhh I get it. Yeah that's bad ju-ju if someone else tries that on another person.

"phenomena" is already plural :)

Ohohoho, you make such a good pun, anon!

--Rogan

Oh jeez, and now I'm reading about Eckankar. Welp, I'll just add this to the list of cults I can learn about. Gross.

--Rogan

EDIT: It also made me realize more clearly why massive pareidolia makes me nervous; it's a thing cult leaders LOVE to take advantage of, and someone purposely trying to induce it in me (or get me to self-induce) feels like manipulation or an attempt to wear down my grip on reality. YECH.

Edited 2015-05-03 22:28 (UTC)

Oop, sorry sorry sorry! If it makes you feel any better, the people I knew who were into it, were just super-enthusiastic and super-self-deluded, but mostly harmless? Like, they weren't manipulative, or anything. The "guy at the top" was only in their heads....He was literally an "Ascended Master" a thousand LOLs. The literature was basically a whole lot of "I stood on the Face on Mars!" and "I spoke with the Ascended Master yesterday and I felt so warm and fuzzy!" so nothing like, way sketch, or "Send me $100 for this vial of Healing Prayer Water and you'll be rich!" or anything in that vein. The "Institute" that published the stuff made good dollar, of course, but there wasn't any kind of hierarchy or anything, they were the only ones getting paid, and likely not that much, given there weren't too many Eckies around at the time. The UFO people were much more popular/populous, at the time.

Er. I should add the caveat that this was the PNW in the 1980s....

Well, that's good at least. It sounds like they were having fun, and I'm glad they were able to enjoy themselves.

PNW?

--Rogan

Not the same anon, but Pacific Northwest. Crystals, pot, birkenstocks, etc.

Oh duh. I am so observant. *smacks forehead*

--Rogan

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