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⌈ Secret Post #3048 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Hmm. I've seen a study brought up a lot in trans conversations about trans, mtf for example, having more "female" aligned brains and that's why they were dysphoric, because their body wasn't matching what their "brain" was telling them/the body wasn't giving them the hormones the 'brain' was expecting, etc.

I can see gender being 'fluid' because gender is a social construct that changes between cultures, but sex isn't/is biological, so that can't be fluid.

[(Anonymous)]

That's why my guess is that the person in question was teenaged.

Puberty does a number on the brain. Teenagers literally have hormones everywhere flooding in and out that haven't balanced themselves out yet. A lot of doctors require trans people to be of a certain age before diagnosing or prescribing anything.

[(Anonymous)]

da

I'm not sure if there have been definite studies to conclude that all trans people have brains that look like female brains? If anyone has any links though please share. From what I understand generally the diagnosis is just persistent, long-lasting feelings of discomfort with their own sex, and inclination to express themselves as the opposite gender - and of course we can say that all disorder is to some extent chemical (just as people with depression can have actual chemical imbalances in their brain), but I wouldn't say it's impossible that (like depression) it could change.

[lb_lee]

*shrug* Enh, I had physical dysphoria, so am very glad I was able to attain the body mods I needed, but I wouldn't call it my brain being "male" aligned. I identify very strongly male, but hormones were one of those things I could take or leave.

And I know a good few trans people who either don't want to transition at all, for various reasons, or transitioned for very different reasons than their brain wanting a different body. (Mainly: social dysphoria, rather than physical.)

Obviously, I'm an anecdote, not data, but I've always been kind of suspicious of people trying to claim that being trans is a matter of neurology, because it seems to mostly get used to tell trans people they can't really be trans. And I'd be interested in seeing these studies.

--Rogan

[bronzed.livejournal.com]

i just want to say thank you for sharing so openly about your own experiences I feel like I learned from reading what you had to say and that doesnt often happen here in f!s lol. I'm glad you can be so open about it and thus people like me can learn something new.

[lb_lee]

Glad to be useful. But yeah, people experience being trans in a lot of different ways. It's a complicated subject that often gets watered down.

A lot of the "being trans is a physical condition" things I've seen were from Harry Benjamin Syndrome folks, and folks of their ilk who mostly were trying to differentiate themselves from other trans people... usually by squashing them down. By their logic, I wouldn't be trans, even though I fit the DSM-V criteria. *shrugs*

--Rogan

[(Anonymous)]

Is it fair for you to get body mods if the others might not want them? Or did everybody want them?

[lb_lee]

We have a form of system governance that means whenever a major decision is made, we all have to unanimously agree to it. Getting the body mods was a matter of at least a year of hard system debate. It's not as though Rogan just declared, "I'm going to have surgery today!" and we went, "Righto then."

--Miranda

[(Anonymous)]

If gender is a social construct, how can anyone ever be cis or trans or fluid? If our gender identies are just foisted upon us by society and not an independent, internal sense, why do some people accept their given identity while others reject it, and what determines who falls into which camp?

I think we're confusing gender identity with gendered labeling of behavior, the latter absolutely being a social construct that changes between cultures and over time.

[(Anonymous)]

I think a lot of trans people confuse those two as well. So often I've heard people say shit like "I always felt wrong wearing women's clothes" when they're just fucking clothes, and they don't mean shit about your gender. The only reason anyone cares about that kind of thing is because they're brought up to. There's nothing inherently female about wearing a dress, or having long hair, or wearing makeup/nail polish etc.

With all gender issues, there seems to be a huge focus on how society perceives you, which should really be completely irrelevant. Even that "If you were alone on a desert island, would you still want to transition?" test is pretty bullshit because you're thinking about it as someone who's been influenced by society's stereotypes and prejudices about gender for years.

I dunno, it just feels like everyone thinks about these things the wrong way, but then I'm not sure what the right way is either.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh riiight! Surely if trans and other gender variant people just ignore society's attitudes about gender, that will magically stop all discrimination against them. How silly of them not to realize.

da

[(Anonymous)]

I don't understand this comment.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm pretty sure you completely misinterpreted my comment there, anon.

[(Anonymous)]

Disregarding how much you didn't get that comment you replied to: I actually think that yes, especially a lot of those people who keep whining about being non binary/genderfluid/demi-something are actually the ones too obsessed with the whole "gender" idea and if they stopped to think about it for a minute, they'd understand that it's not society that makes a huge deal out of gender, it's themselves.

[(Anonymous)]

You know what else is just a social construct? Race. And nationality. Class. Even family. That doens't mean they're not important, or that they shouldn't be.

[(Anonymous)]

Race is not a social construct. The way race is used today is a social construct. That's not the same.

[(Anonymous)]

What exactly are you responding to? No one said gender or any social constructs were unimportant.

[(Anonymous)]

sex is biological, so that can't be fluid

Wrong. Our bodies are changing from moment to moment. They recently discovered that what food you eat and what exercise you take actually changes your genetic makeup, and so can be passed on to your descendants, something they previously thought was impossible.

Your genetics are not fixed your whole life long, unlike previously assumed. There is no clear nature-vs-nurture divide. It's far more complicated.

[(Anonymous)]

Sex is still biological. Just because your genetics change doesn't mean you suddenly start growing a penis out of the fucking nowhere.