[ SECRET POST #3055 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3055 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[(Anonymous)]

Tammy likes to say that Daja told her absolutely that she was gay, but I suspect it was more like this: TP always meant one of the Circle to be gay. Here's how it shakes out:

Briar: Unfortunate Implications about growing up with strong female role models

Sandry: Story complications because it looks very much like Sandry will rule Emelan at some point, and TP tends to stick to the reality of royal families; Sandry will have to have children who will be her heirs, and I don't see Tammy putting a character she loves with someone completely wrong for her. (Also I'm not so sure about this, but I have read some people speculating that Sandry would be a Lipstick Lesbian Cliche.)

Daja: Butch Lesbian stereotypes everywhere. She works with a hammer and anvil, for shit's sake. As it is I like that the stereotype is subverted by the plain fact that Daja is a multilayered character.

Tris: On the surface she'd probably be the best choice, unless "fat angry lesbian" is also a cliche (probably it is, I dunno). But there is the fact that of the four she's the least traditionally good-looking, and that seems like a "so ugly no boys will ever even look at her" situation, which is disheartening to young readers who don't realize that eventually looks stop mattering.

Honestly I think Tris would have been the best choice of the four for gay character, but I really think she isn't because of every character TP's ever written, Tris is the most clearly based on the author, and Tammy's straight.

[(Anonymous)]

TBH, it seems like you can't really avoid stereotypes. Make your feminine character a lesbian? Lipstick lesbian cliche. Make your less feminine character a lesbian? Butch lesbian cliche. Your pretty character? Probably also the lipstick lesbian thing, plus fanservice. Your ugly character? She's the one who's a lesbian because no boys like her.

As long as the character has an actual personality and depth, and isn't a nasty parody, I don't care if they fit a few stereotypes.

[lb_lee]

Enh, in my opinion, stereotypes REQUIRE a lack of depth. Long as you have depth, you might get a cliche, but not a stereotype.

--Rogan

[(Anonymous)]

Am I the only one who shipped Tris/Niko, Tris/Crane, Tris/Vedris and Sandry/Crane, then?

[(Anonymous)]

I shipped Tris/Niko something awful when I was younger.

[(Anonymous)]

If it helps, OP, Tris is very easily read as asexual. So she doesn't want anyone!

[(Anonymous)]

This.

I always read Tris as asexual, even before I knew that was a thing. She's amazing and powerful and ace.

[(Anonymous)]

I always read Tris as asexual too, or at least, more interested in books than sex.