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⌈ Secret Post #3057 ⌋

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[Polandball]

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[The X-Files]

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[Nick Lea/Krycek]

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[Plague Inc Evolved]

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(Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.)

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[Grimm]

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[Discworld]

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[Magi the labrynth of magic]

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[The Clangers]

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I think John Winchester being physically abusive is totally fanon. I *never* got that vibe from him on Show or from Sam or Dean.

Yes, he was driven to the point of obsession, and yes, he did neglect his sons. But he wasn't some horrible monster. He *did* have a loving side - i think the boys prove that.

I agree about the physical abusiveness, although I think the show has been pushing this lately (which pisses me off). Like, there have been comments by Dean and Sam that suggest some kind of harsh treatment. But, coming so far after we actually saw JDM and in seasons that have been such messes, I discount what the writers are saying about JW. I think it's just more needless drama they're trying to stir up to provide needless conflict between the boys.

That said, I find that when I write JW, I handwave even the fact that he's neglectful. I just like the idea of him as an awesome dad. To me, I think he would've been a very good dad if Sam hadn't been in danger from Yellow Eyes, etc.

I think what illustrates my point is that at the end of S1, I saw what JW did as a sacrifice of love. He loved Dean so much that he traded his soul for him. But, a lot of people found it manipulative and a terrible thing to do to Dean. I mostly view it as a terrible situation and JW trying to do the best he could because he loved Dean. It's certainly no worse than all the times the boys have done questionable things to keep each other around.

But the show now seems to side with everyone who thinks JW is abusive, etc. His marriage to Mary was no longer a good one. Sam and Dean both talk smack about him when he comes up. Only this season did I hear the first good thing about him in a long time. So, when I write him as an awesome dad, it feels like it's OOC. And yet, I felt when watching the first season that he was an awesome dad.

I suppose the issue is the change of a character over time and how much fidelity is expected by fandom. Like, I adore Cas from the first few episodes where he was cold and badass and menacing. He's so different now that I would put a note saying my fic is based on those first few episodes and exploring if that was really all there was to him, etc.

Oh, he definitely loved the boys, and where he was coming from was a place of absolute love and devotion to his family. But unfortunately, he was a *frightened* man. Terrified by the secrets he'd discovered, the hidden world, and his own family's place in it.

And i think fear makes you do things that can be pretty awful. He admitted to Dean, right before his deal, how he's put too much pressure on him as a little boy, leaned on his pre-teen son to bolster him up, pull him back from the dark places he went.

I think he *saw* his failings as a father - obsession, dictatorialness, inflexibility - but was helpless to counteract them in the face of his very real fear, and the helpless feeling of being one man standing between the world of monsters and his children.

The 'not a good marriage' thing always made sense to me, since we found out that the angels/god/cupids *made* John and Mary fall in love, because that fulfilled the 'prophecy' of the end times. So friction and perhaps some miss-matching (and John being a Vietnam survivor, and probably having some PTSD, and Mary being an ex-hunter, under the incredible strain of hiding all that, and not telling John) was inevitable.

But i think they loved each other, and did they best they could. Imagine Mary knowing how her father died, and how she got John back, and living with that, in secret, for years....

In short - ha! - I think John was pretty awesome, too, but to ignore the non-awesome stuff cheats him of depth of character (in my mind).

I do rather love the Castiel of his first season, how powerful, and how torn, he was. I do miss that.

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