[ SECRET POST #3058 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3058 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

Re: Ughhhhh

[(Anonymous)]

Disagree. If the action or behavior of a character comes off to a reader as creepy and it's not supposed to be, then that's something the author needs to hear. Nowhere did the OP say "don't write this stuff". Pointing out how a person's writing can be interpreted in ways the author might not intend is completely valid in a workshop setting. It's not that different from pointing out an issue of improper word choice.

Re: Ughhhhh

[(Anonymous)]

Well, but there's even ways to word it as opposed to "creepy."

Re: Ughhhhh

[(Anonymous)]

discomforting or discomfiting might be a better word

Re: Ughhhhh

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, there's lots of ways to say lots of things. I don't see any reason to avoid the word "creepy" if the anon believes it accurately describes how the scenario made them feel.

Re: Ughhhhh

[blitzwing]

Your feels about a piece aren't an appropriate critique though. Mysteries make me feel hella bored--is that a critique? Nope. That's just me projecting my personal preferences onto the rest of the world, as if it's the author's responsibility to write things that appeal to me.

As if my feelings about mysteries are somehow going to help that person become a better writer.

Re: Ughhhhh

[(Anonymous)]

Well, no. How a reader feels and reacts to a written work is entirely relevant. If the author is writing this relationship as a sweet, loving relationship, then it would be useful to know that it's not being read as such by his intended audience. It would also be useful to understand why. Objecting to a specific relationship between two characters as portrayed in the work is not the same as disliking an entire genre, so your analogy doesn't work very well, I'm afraid.

Re: Ughhhhh

[blitzwing]

Objecting to a specific relationship between two characters as portrayed in the work is not the same as disliking an entire genre, so your analogy doesn't work very well, I'm afraid.

Care to elaborate on that? Whether you're objecting to an entire genre, or to an entire trope (student/teacher relationship, age difference) if it's because that genre or trope doesn't appeal to your personal tastes, then it's not an appropriate critique.

You don't like dogfucking? Okay! That doesn't make this dogfucking novel badly written. And it doesn't mean your dislike is the same as a critique.

Re: Ughhhhh

[(Anonymous)]

It's not clear to me that the anon is objecting to all relationships between older men and younger women the way you're assuming. It seems to me that they were critiquing a specific relationship, in a specific work, which is entirely valid and correct.

Re: Ughhhhh

[blitzwing]

I pointed out that having a fifty year old guy marry a twenty-two year old might be a little creepy.

That doesn't sound specific, that sounds general, as if the creepiness applies to all instances where a 50-year old marries a 22-year old. Same here:

if you're fifty year old, and you're falling for a twenty year old, and you're ~feelings are hurt~ because someone calls you creepy... Grow the fuck up, and maybe think a little bit about why people are finding it creepy.

Re: Ughhhhh

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, but that sounds like a specific reference to the characters in the story. I guess you could interpret it widely, but that's a stretch and I'm not sure why you'd go out of your way to take offense.

Re: Ughhhhh

[(Anonymous)]

OP says "A fifty year old guy" and "A twenty-two year old", not "THIS fifty year old guy" and "THIS twenty-two year old."

That's wide. That's non specific. That's OP's personal opinions coloring their response.

Re: Ughhhhh

[(Anonymous)]

*sigh* The context is the critique of a specific story, not an essay about age gaps in relationships. Anon was referring very specifically to the 50 year old guy in the story they were critiquing and to the 22 year old woman in the story they were critiquing.

Re: Ughhhhh

[blitzwing]

Nope. How does "having a fifty year old guy marry a twenty-two year old might be a little creepy" not be a general statement? It's a fifty year old guy. That means it's a statement that applies to their 50-year old guy, Jim, and my 50-year old guy, Sam, and other nonny's 50-year old guy, Tom, even if they were only referencing Jim.

Re: Ughhhhh

[(Anonymous)]

Stay deluded, anon. Clearly your mind is made up and you're okay with being both completely wrong and with making a fool of yourself arguing over it.

Re: Ughhhhh

[diet_poison]

is "creepy" a bad word now?

Re: Ughhhhh

[blitzwing]

It doesn't matter if Jim the mailman in the critique class finds the content creepy, if he's not in the intended audience.

If you take a family gangbang fic to a critique class, you won't expect them all to find it hot--but they can still critique your writing so that the incest fetishists you're marketing it to can find it even more hot and compelling.

Most people are familiar with the objections to their genre or subject. Whether it's "Westerns are dead, you'll never get it published" or "writing about fucking a dog is disgusting, this is trash and you're creepy" it's not exactly a mystery what those objections are.