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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-05-23 03:41 pm

[ SECRET POST #3062 ]


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Re: Is Amy Shumer a rapist?

(Anonymous) 2015-05-23 09:30 pm (UTC)(link)
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Did you even click on the link?

The story is quoting a story Schumer herself told during an awards banquet. The full transcript is on line (the story links it at http://www.vulture.com/2014/05/read-amy-schumers-ms-gala-speech.html). I suppose it's possible the entire thing is fictional, but it's all over the Internet being quoted approvingly, so it's not like they did it to hurt her.

And thought catalog is not really an MRA site.

Re: Is Amy Shumer a rapist?

[personal profile] herpymcderp 2015-05-23 09:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Clicked the link but not the transcript because I can't be bothered with clickbaity sites like that one.

I was like, "Oh, okay, this is an anonymous sender on a clickhole site. K then." and just stopped reading there.

Still it depends on your definition of rape, on how much Ms. Schumer is exaggerating for comedic effect, on how much of it is manufactured whole cloth for a self-deprecative joke (you know, the kind of thing she's known for)...

In short: who knows.

Re: Is Amy Shumer a rapist?

(Anonymous) 2015-05-23 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, I would say first that I do think that it's likely that it was probably something that she exaggerated. But although it's way better than her being a rapist, it's still a pretty damn tasteless rape joke, which isn't great. And it's exactly the worst kind of rape joke - one that treats the victim as an object of humor and disdain, and one that invites us to place our selves in the shoes of the narrator (chuckling along about the clumsy self-deprecation and the quirky story about the time someone got raped).

Second, I don't think that any of this kind of verbal defense would be extended if Schumer was a man. And I think (although I applaud the urge not to rush to judgment) that in a lot of ways that's basically a good thing - not that we should to rush to condemn, but that our instinct really should be not to cavil about "well who knows about what really happened" and "well, was it really rape" and all that kind of thing, but that it should be centered on the victim - those are ideas that I broadly agree with. And so it's really kind of sad to see so many people them abandon them almost immediately when the person talking about it is a female comedian and one that we happen to like. It's kind of shocking.