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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-05-25 06:36 pm

[ SECRET POST #3064 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3064 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2015-05-26 10:59 am (UTC)(link)
ayrt

Because I see needing to recontextualize a female character as a male character to be anything but gender equality. To me that's saying a female character can only ever be interesting if she's presented via a male context. Which is bullshit, and also boring.
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[personal profile] esteefee 2015-05-26 12:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Is it male context though? I think it's more the neutral context. Males are the default context, after all. And once she's Harry, she becomes the female context. That's the point. That's the weird thing about human nature. That's what happened with Ripley. I think Ellen Ripley is one of the great female characters of science fiction as a result. Not because she was a recontextualized male character, but because when they wrote her they weren't trying to write a quote unquote female character. I think when male writers try to write a female character, that's when a lot of the bullshit gender role bias comes in. There is some in the male roles, but there is also a *ton* of neutral stuff that female characters never get to lay claim to. Never. It's off the table.

I want that stuff. :)
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[personal profile] intrigueing 2015-05-26 01:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Exactly! Thank you :)

OP

(Anonymous) 2015-05-27 03:14 am (UTC)(link)
I never really thought about it in this level of depth, but this is perfect description of what it's like reading HP for me. Thank you. I know there's a lot of stuff I'm probably only seeing because he's originally conceived as a male character, but there is extremely little there that doesn't come across as just a character who happens to be female.
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Re: OP

[personal profile] esteefee 2015-05-27 07:55 am (UTC)(link)
I'm glad you get to enjoy her that way, OP. <3 I hope you do find some girlHarry fic that works for you.

(Anonymous) 2015-05-26 08:01 pm (UTC)(link)
This. It's incredibly sexist to put male characters on pedestals and say that the only good way to write a female character is to write a male character and then just switch the pronouns.

A good female character is a female character who is written with just as much depth and complexity as the male characters, not a male character with the serial numbers filed off.

(Anonymous) 2015-05-26 10:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Not really.

Male characters tend to be better-written than female characters because they're written neutrally, as just plain "characters" Characters who are male usually aren't written as "male characters" the way characters who are female are written as "female characters."

There's nothing sexist about wanting a female character whose personality doesn't revolve around her gender.

(Anonymous) 2015-05-27 09:16 pm (UTC)(link)
No. There are badly-written male characters all over the place, people just tend to overlook or excuse it when it's a male character. It's a perfect example of the ridiculous double standards fandom has for female and male characters: a male character can be as flat and one-dimensional as can be and still get people fawning over them and talking about how awesome they are because they're an attractive dude, whereas a female character is anything less than 100% perfect in every way and immediately you get everyone saying "see, no one ever writes female characters well."

To use HP as an example: look at how much attention and love from fandom that Blaise Zabini got despite being essentially a non-entity in the books. He was not a well-written character by any means, yet fandom loved him anyway because he happened to be described as being attractive.