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[The Witcher 3]

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[Shakin Stevens]

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[The Godfather II]

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[A Redtail's Dream]

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[David Lynch & David Cronenberg]

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[Laurell K. Hamilton]

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[Big Bang Theory]

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Meh. If someone actually gets invested in some extra idealised headcanon (because that what it basically is) about some stranger celebrity's moral values or whatever, they really only have themselves to blame when disappointed.

Maybe they're not even projecting, and they're just naive. But I'm okay with it since it means their open display of embarrassment means I know whose blogs and facebook feeds to avoid.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7qLn3WRCoho

I think it's more a problem of polarization than of celebrity PR. On the other hand, I think sometimes people look at polarization and conclude that the middle ground is obviously the superior position, and I don't buy that. Roman Polanski, for instance, didn't just make a mistake people are overreacting to.

Generally, though, I have a fairly tiny category of "want nothing to do with them or their work" with most people on a spectrum of "they kind of seem like jerks but I like their work"/"meh, their show/whatever sucks, but they seem pretty cool in interviews" to "so far, they seem pretty awesome!"

A corollary of "jerk," though, is that they should be equal opportunity jerks. If they are disproportionately assholes to one class of people, that pushes them way down lower, although not necessarily into untouchable.

I used to be a person who was really rattled whenever my childhood icons did something bad, but as I've grown older I'm a lot more forgiving because I figure that the pressure of fame probably affects them a lot. However, there's a flip side to this, which is probably apparent by the examples below:

Drugs/drinking? Eh.

Trying to get away from/getting angry at paparazzi? Understandable.

Kanye being a dumbass at a concert again and mostly embarrassing himself? Fine.

Groping a coworker, or otherwise belittling another person? FUCK YOU, YOU'RE DEAD TO ME... D':< (I'm looking at you, Harlan Ellison. Kinda Roman Polanski too. Definitely Russel Crowe.)

So long as they're not a reprehensible person, I'm OK with celebs making mistakes. We're all human, y'all.

Sorry, curious driveby anon here. Why's Roman Polanski "kinda"? Thought it was established he did what he did...despite that petition done for reasons I have no clue about, except maybe solidarity?

Also what did Russell Crowe do? Not a fan, but completely missed that one.

yeah, and I think drugging and raping a 13 year old also goes beyond just "belittling a person." I would surely think that Polanski is worse than Russell Crowe

the "Perfect/Scum" dichotomy is in now way reserved for celebrities.

I disagree

celebrities get perfect or scum, normal people get not scum or scum

everyone can be scum, but there isn't idolization of normal people like there is of celebs

Eh, I never bought into the whole idealization of celebrities. There are a few -very few- that I genuinely enjoy as people, simply because I feel they have a level of integrity. But even those are few and far in between. And sure, they sometimes fuck up.

Like the time Timothy Omundson posted a photo of a book on his IG that was called "What's Wrong With Timmy" and made a seemingly harmless joke about it. Well, the book was actually a kids book about special needs kids, and after he got called out for it, he apologized and explained his position (he didn't even know what the book was about, as one of his daughters found it and sent him a picture of the cover), but thanked people for taking him to task for it. The way he handled himself and his response made me respect him a hell of a lot more, since he could have very well easily been rude about it, but he wasn't. There's a couple other examples with people I've liked, but most of those were a long time ago, haha.

But otherwise, yeah, I don't really put any celebrity on a pedestal, because everyone has a tendency to say/do/believe things that will invariably piss us off at some point or another. Celebrities are no different, except they get paid to entertain us and are thus -for some reason or another- are held to a higher standard than most.

Edited 2015-05-26 23:32 (UTC)

It sounds to me like he was being self-deprecating, i.e., what's wrong with HIM because his name is Timothy. Duh. He shouldn't have been dogpiled by the SJWs for that.

Eh, that's true (because that's just how his sense of humor is), but it was still kind of an "... Oh dear"-type of moment once people pointed out what the book was actually about.

Even then, I recall it was just a handful of people doing the pointing out and expressing disappointment in a way that was far more restrained than, say, Tumblr. It certainly wasn't your bog standard SJW*dogpile, that much I do remember. (But I only saw the Instagram-side of things. No clue what it was like on Twitter)

Edited 2015-05-27 00:36 (UTC)

"Flawless" comes from a stupid teenage desire for a perfection unreached in one's real life.

I get liking celebrities or thinking that some of them seem nice enough or cool, but I don't understand the near-worship of them as if they're flawless beings because well, they're not. No one is.

Putting someone on a pedestal is a sure-fire way to ensure that you will be disappointed eventually.

For me it depends on how the person handles it. If they stick their foot in their mouth and then apologize, no big deal, as everyone makes mistakes. If they start denigrating the people who said something and/or keep saying things like "It was a joke; how much of an idiot are you for not getting that it was a joke?" or if it is obvious that they really believe the not-great position they are taking (for example, I can't deal with Adam Baldwin at all any more after following his twitter), then I will get upset with them and most likely will stop watching things they are in. Being human is fine. Being an asshole or a racist or a misogynist is not. At least in my opinion.

As a fan of one or two celebs who were evidently considered "flawless" before people got to know them, I was always so pissed at other fans who, when they discovered they were actually human, threw them away liked used toilet paper. I'd hate to be their significant other. And by "their" I mean the fans.

I could have made this secret.

I even started to make one very like it, then didn't submit. Mine was about female celebs in particular. I think the problem's even more insidious for women. Saint or bitch, and nothing allowed nothing in between.

I hate the way tumblr uses the word "flawless". Ugh. It's as bad as everything being problematic. There's no humanity allowed to show through.

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