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(Anonymous) 2015-05-27 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)i can't speak for individual people in the movement but you are wrong about new atheism and you're confusing atheism with anti-theism which are two different things
your argument is like saying catholics are less confident in their faith because their belief system is heavily ritualized and dogmatic and they're evangelical, which makes no sense
have a nice day. or don't, whichever you prefer. <3
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But like I said in another thread, I was raised atheist. It is a given; no one has offered me a whit of proof that gods are a thing, so I'm pretty confident in this. I don't feel the need to convince other people to believe what I do, because to me it's self-evident and if they are just quietly believing in a thing, that's their business.
Where religion becomes a harmful social force is when it gets dogmatic and institutionalized and politicized. That's where it affects other people's lives, and where I have an objection.
As far as I can tell, the New Atheist movement is doing its best to be as dogmatic and institutional and political as possible. While I can understand the urge to a point—someone is being wrong on the internet, etc.—it's exactly what deserves critiquing about religion. That's why I keep calling them Christian evangelicals—the content differs, but the form is the same.
Having had a lot of conversations with highly religious people across a variety of demographics and faiths, I would say that actually yes, in most cases the more dogmatic, the less confident they are in their own beliefs. Dogmatism is a refuge from having to confront complexity. I see a similar pattern in the official mouthpieces of New Atheism (with the exception of PZ Myers)—the very same rigidity, the need to have everyone believe what you believe, the unwillingness to engage in critiques (the time from me making my first comment in the thread to getting my first rape threat in the thread was about an hour).
And no, probably Not All Atheists, but a large percentage of the leading voices and a vocal majority of people online, and I don't see many leading lights (again, with the exception of Myers who called out Dawkins on his misogyny) standing up against the movement's flaws.