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⌈ Secret Post #3066 ⌋

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[Christopher Walken]

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[Harry Potter/Parvati Patil]

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[The Mummy]

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[tokyo ghoul]

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[Ioan Gruffudd/Alexander Siddig/Dominic Keating/Max Pirkis]

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Because it was clumsily written.

If that many people get the wrong message from something you've written, then you've written it badly. There's a difference between some people in the audience simply "not getting it", and presenting it so poorly that a significant amount of people pick up on something you didn't intend. Whether that was the intent or not, sterility=monster is as valid an interpretation of that scene as any. And that's not the audience's fault.

Or someone decided that Joss Whedon hates women and will use any kind of excuse they can find to underline that argument.

Or people are not always smart, a lot of people aren't great at picking up nuances, the question if you should cater to those people at all times are another story. Saying that is like saying that Loki is the good guy in the Thor films, because Thor was mean to him a couple of times, doesn't make it correct.

Most of the people I've seen mention it -- myself included -- have no agenda whatsoever; I feel that's you projecting deeply because you're the one who doesn't like the argument. We were just surprised, and a little hurt, to have that rhetoric shoved down our throats yet again by the media.

This wasn't a nuance. This isn't fanon interpretation. This was shoddy writing at best, and at worst maybe Wheedon's critics are right; either way, he wrote a female character speaking lines that could very, very easily be construed a different way to the one he presumably intended.

It doesn't make it an interpretaion you agree with but neither does it make them incorrent. There's plenty in the text itself to support that argument. Good-guy Loki, not so much.

But, even IF it was about infertile women, several infertile women have written peices discussing this POV. And they have all said it is a pretty realistic response. Because if you WANT children, but can't have them, you feel really fucking bad and awful about yourself. Hell, you may even feel like a monster.

And do they need reminders of that when they happen to go to the movies to see what they think is a straightforward superhero action movie?

Because I sure as fuck didn't.

na

Did holocaust survivors and family members of holocaust survivors need reminders about it when they saw the first X-Men movie or X-men: First Class? Did PTSD sufferers need to be reminded about it when they saw Iron Man 3? Probably not, but a lot of superhero movies and comics deal with real life issues and challenges that make the characters seem more human and realistic so you just kind of have to deal with it

Knowing even the first thing about the X-Men canon tells you the holocaust is probably going to show up.

PTSD in any action movie is predictable.

"Oh hey, have another female character defining her worth via whether or not she can have children"? Not so much.

But, she DIDN'T! It isn't the movies fault some people lack comprehension skills.

ayrt

"Oh hey, have another female character defining her worth via whether or not she can have children"?

That's not at all what I took away from that scene

She really was not doing that though.

Are they supposed to leave certain Deep Topics out of superhero movies? People are already complaining that they're shallow and formulaic...

I wonder if part of that was just utter confusion that anyone would possibly connect the two. Like "Did you bring the dogs in yet? I need to get dinner started." Most people are going to interpret it as the person is asking if the dogs are already in or if they need to finish that task before starting dinner. Not that they're asking if the dogs are in so they can cook them for dinner. Especially if the context doesn't support the dogs-as-dinner theory (Red in my ledger, anyone?)

Or maybe people are just stupid.

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