[ SECRET POST #3067 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3067 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know if I would use the word trans for it but I agree with your basic idea.

But to be fair the aspiring to be human thing is kind of a running theme in star trek (odo, the doctor) and it does get a little tiring

[kamino_neko]

Data was sort of the start of that, as a deliberate inversion of Spock.

Spock - very human, but wanted to be more Vulcan.
Data - very non-human, wanted to be more human.

Odo and the Doctor are different takes on the concept, too.

Odo just wanted to not be alone in the world...once he found out there were others like him, he gravitated toward them...until he found out they were tyrants...and even then he embraced them to an extent, because they were his people.

The Doctor, unlike Data, was a very limited being striving to raise himself up to humanity (where Data was trying to become more than human as well as more than an android). Seven of Nine is a bit closer to Data, but she was working on regaining lost humanity.

[intrigueing]

Yeah, this exactly.

[(Anonymous)]

This is why I got a bit tired of the Star Trek franchise: its starry-eyed take on being human.

I've got no problem with examination of what it is to be human, but the various series always managed to assert that being a human is what everyone (everything?) should WANT to be, because we're so damn awesome.

Maybe it was a coded way of telling the audience to accept and love themselves, I dunno, but to me it often came across as weirdly self-[species-]obsessed.

[(Anonymous)]

Did you even read kamino's comment? They pointed out that actually, being human was NOT what everyone wanted to be. Data was the only one who really wanted to be human.

The Doctor wanted to be a person, period, and he happened to be a fictional character/program modeled on a human.

Spock wanted to be Vulcan and thought that he could not be Vulcan and human at the same time, and learned to accept both sides of himself.

Odo wanted to have a people and belong instead of being a one-of-a-kind freak of nature, and learned to accept them while also accepting they were awful tyrants, humanity had little to do with him.

Seven of Nine wanted to rediscover the old identity that had been subjected to mental and physical butchering that was forced on her, but still identified with being somewhat borg.

There was also B'Elanna, who felt like it would make her life easier if she could be human and had an uneasy relationship her Klingon half, and learned to love and accept her Klingon half.

And the biggest example, Worf, who wanted to be more Klingon because he was raised by humans, and learned to not only be more Klingon but to live up to non-human Klingon ideals better than most native Klingons (who were much more like humans), and his more-Klingon-ness/non-humanness was always shown as being a very good thing to be proud of.

And there was also a whole episode of TNG devoted completely to teaching the crew that it was wrong to force a biologically-human boy who was raised as an alien to live as a human, because he identified as a member of that alien species and they were his people, no matter what species he was biologically.

[(Anonymous)]

This is a good comment and you should feel good

[litalex]

Wait, which episode is the last one?

[ysobel]

"Suddenly Human", s04e04

[arcadiaego]

That's why I always liked the fact that (by the time of the series) Spock was quite happy with who he was, most of the time. When they did the direct comparison between Spock and Data in Reuinification it just didn't work.