[ SECRET POST #3071 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3071 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Colin Mochrie and Ryan Stiles from Whose Line is it Anyway?]


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03.
[Ansatsu Kyoshitsu]


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04.
[Boardwalk Empire]


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05.
[Ore Monogatari]


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06.
[Kid Icarus]


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07.
[Eurovision]


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08.
[Elden Henson, Daredevil]


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09.
[His Dark Materials]


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10.
(Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.)


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11.
[Elfquest]


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12.
[Psych]


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13.
(Marvel's Agents of SHIELD)









Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 060 secrets from Secret Submission Post #439.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

09. http://i.imgur.com/bWCDSHV.png
[His Dark Materials]

[(Anonymous)]

Aw, I liked Will, and how he contrasted against Lyra. Different strokes I guess!

[(Anonymous)]

I want to say this is an old repeat, but I'd recognize those book covers if I'd seen them before, so... well, either way, I don't get the popularity of this feeling, both that Will stole the spotlight from Lyra or that he was too perfect.

[elaminator]

I got bored and never finished the third one. Loved the first, liked the second, but by book number three I kind of just stopped caring.

[(Anonymous)]

Lyra was an annoying typical "feisty" heroine. I made it through the first book because the story was so good, but I don't think I would have been able to stomach three whole books of just her.

[(Anonymous)]

Lyra started out as selfish, ignorant, aggressive, rude and egotistical. Hardly 'typical feisty heroine' material, at least not in the first book.

[sabotabby]

This. I totally took her as a subversion of the typical feisty heroine—her big superpower was that she was a pathological liar.

[(Anonymous)]

But typical feisty heroines are selfish, ignorant, aggressive, rude and egotistical. :V

[(Anonymous)]

DA

To be fair, your typical feisty heroine isn't actually intended to be selfish, ignorant, aggressive, rude, and egotistical. Their authors usually think that they're just writing them as being endearingly plucky and passionate, and it totally flies over their head that they've actually written a very unlikable character. Lyra's negative traits, AFAIK, were completely intentional, which would make her distinct from your average, unintentionally grating Feisty Heroine, and perhaps more palatable to someone who usually can't stand reading stories about them.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes and it wasn't it nice that she was "tamed" by a boy in the second book. Not.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Precisely! I really liked having a heroine where the story was honest and up-front about her flaws. She just felt like a real child, which is pretty rare.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

+1 This is why I liked her. She was young and flawed as many children are (and adults, of course). But then Will came along and seemed to be "better" and no... I just don't like him at all.

[(Anonymous)]

I liked Will. I thought he was a much more damaged character than Lyra, in his way, and a good counterpoint to her. I don't get the 'he stole the spotlight' argument. Where is it written that a book series has to stay focused on the same protagonist throughout?

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Actually, I don't mind if a book switches to a new protagonist. What bothers me is that the author chose to put the spotlight on a poorly written character (I respect your opinion to think otherwise, but I can't really read Will as anything other than a Mary Sue) rather than a strong, flawed one.

Additionally, it's pretty annoying to go from a book with a female protagonist to a male protagonist--yes, I know there are many YA female protagonists, but women still frequently get the short end of the stick when it comes to representation.

[(Anonymous)]

I WASN'T THE ONLY ONE. THANK YOU.

[(Anonymous)]

Shit, those covers are gorgeous. /irrelevant

[caerbannog]

I'm not sure how this makes you entitled?

For me, I stopped after the second book because I got bored and didn't care about Will.

[othellia]

Nope, I hated Will too. And especially how Lyra - who'd done so much awesome stuff in the first book - was just reduced to hanging out in a random building in Ghost Town until Will showed up to save the day/get the plot moving again.

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't read the second and third book in a long time, but I remember disliking him as well. She became his love interest, more or less. It was kind of necessary for the theme of the last book to have an love interest, but why couldn't it be Lyra's instead of the other way round?

Then again, when I reread the first book as adult I really disliked Lyra as well.

[(Anonymous)]

Uh... Will was Lyra's love interest. It was still her story before his. I think you mistook her for the love interest because we're brought up to assume it's always the female character who becomes the love interest.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Actually, I get where ayrt is coming from. That's part of my problem. In The Subtle Knife, Will frequently assumes the more active role while Lyra is made to be very reliant on him, just like the typical love interest is.

[(Anonymous)]

Even in my young age when I read it, I was immensely annoyed by Will for the same reasons you mentioned, OP. Pretty much ruined the last books for me.

[(Anonymous)]

Absolutely. I loved the first book, the world building was interesting but Will was a wooden post in terms of interesting and it was annoying as hell that Lyra got sidelined to love interest--plus the world building wasn't as interesting as the world she came from!

[ketita]

I think that overall I liked the idea and potential of this series a lot more than the actual books.