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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-07-20 07:12 pm

[ SECRET POST #3120 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3120 ⌋

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Re: question for lgbt/queer people

(Anonymous) 2015-07-21 01:03 am (UTC)(link)
That would be because you are an ally. Too many men expect to be given leading roles within every movement simply by declaring themselves part of it. It isn't your fault, it is an unconscious social expectation mostly due to be brought up in a culture which automatically gives men more status, so it can be hard for men to adjust to a movement where they are not automatically in charge by being part of it. That doesn't mean you are unwelcome as an ally, nor that you are of less value as a person, and it definitely does not mean you cannot hold feminist views, but you can only be an ally not a feminist. A voice in the backing singers, not the face of the band.

Re: question for lgbt/queer people

[personal profile] herpymcderp 2015-07-21 01:04 am (UTC)(link)
lol go be part of the problem somewhere else.
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Re: question for lgbt/queer people

[personal profile] philstar22 2015-07-21 01:09 am (UTC)(link)
I don't actually agree that men can't be feminists. Men shouldn't be the leaders of the movement because the point of feminism is to empower women and their voices. But that doesn't mean that men can't be feminists. Feminist=wants to empower women. Allies can be feminists too. Men can't be women, they can only be allies. But feminism includes both women and allies.

Re: question for lgbt/queer people

[personal profile] herpymcderp 2015-07-21 01:14 am (UTC)(link)
+100

I'm not claiming to be a woman or trying to take a leadership role in some advocacy group, I'm claiming to be a person who recognizes that we live in a society where women currently have less rights, that the patriarchy is damaging to everyone, and that I believe everyone should have equal rights and freedoms.

That makes me a feminist. Deal with it lol.

Re: question for lgbt/queer people

(Anonymous) 2015-07-21 01:35 am (UTC)(link)
That you get upset when you don't get to choose your own labels shows that you still have a problem being feminist. Hint: a male feminist doesn't get upset when they are told they can only call themselves an ally. You are still status chasing and getting upset when your desire isn't fulfilled.
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Re: question for lgbt/queer people

[personal profile] philstar22 2015-07-21 01:57 am (UTC)(link)
No. I'm mostly a radical feminist and I still think you are being ridiculous. You really aren't helping the feminist cause or women. At all.
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Re: question for lgbt/queer people

[personal profile] elialshadowpine 2015-07-21 12:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Speaking as another somewhat radical feminist, this all over.

Re: question for lgbt/queer people

[personal profile] herpymcderp 2015-07-21 03:01 am (UTC)(link)
You're either backwards or a troll, so your opinion doesn't concern me.

I bet you tell trans people they don't get to choose their own labels too.

Re: question for lgbt/queer people

(Anonymous) 2015-07-21 10:45 pm (UTC)(link)
This "stay in your lane" stuff is pure nonsense. I say this as a feminist myself.

Re: question for lgbt/queer people

[personal profile] cbrachyrhynchos 2015-07-21 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
I think I stopped caring about the labels on my flair a while ago.

Re: question for lgbt/queer people

(Anonymous) 2015-07-21 09:23 am (UTC)(link)
Men can be feminists. Feminism is a philosophy, not an inherent identity. It's super whiny to try to equate it to LGBT "allies" or whatever. Sure, many men are bad feminists (then again, so are many women, tbh), but "ally" is ridiculously stupid.