[ SECRET POST #391 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #391 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 75 secrets from Secret Submission Post #056.
Secrets Not Posted: 0 broken links, [ 1 2 ] not!secrets, [ 1 ] not!fandom [ 1 2 ] too big, [ 1 ] repeat.
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Friday, February 1st, 2008.
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

Re: 3 (SPOILERS, though it's a bit too late for that)

[vieralynn.livejournal.com]

Forgot to say: Regarding the word "evil," it all depends on how black and white we each feel about what is EVIL and what isn't.

My online dictionary says "profoundly immoral and malevolent." I still stand behind my comment that lady_venn posted above that no matter what Vayne's intentions might have been (for the greater good or for selfishness), the 4 things I listed are all examples of profoundly immoral and malevolent behavior.

Re: 3 (SPOILERS, though it's a bit too late for that)

[cygna-hime.livejournal.com]

Just throwing my $.02 in, since we seem to be having a rational discussion here...

I find Vayne a fascinating, multi-layered character. And I love him that way. But I also think that he is both evil and at least mildly insane. He may have good intentions, at least in part, but his methods make him evil in my book. He has no problem with starting a war guaranteed to wipe out thousands if not millions of people, because he thinks that it's necessary so that the world may be freed from the Occuria. Do I think he's right that the Occuria should be told where to go? Absolutely. But that doesn't excuse his actions.

All the complex plots, the wholesale slaughter, the serial mindfuckery...as he says himself, that is his idea of necessity. And that says to me that he is both evil and insane, because it *isn't* necessary (witness the fact that by the end of the game the Occuria have been effectively given the boot without Ivalice War I), but he has the kind of mindset that views it as necessary. He really does seem to think that murder is the only answer. To me, that qualifies as insane.

In my opinion, intentions do not make a person evil. Actions make a person evil. And Vayne's actions make him evil in my book. He leaves a trail of bodies a mile wide behind him, and sees nothing wrong with slaughtering thousands for the "greater good". Historical consensus says: people who do that are evil.

Re: 3 (SPOILERS, though it's a bit too late for that)

[vieralynn.livejournal.com]

Agreed on all points, especially your actions versus intentions point.

I like the idea of Vayne's sanity slowly slipping bit by bit by bit. He remains "logical" and "intelligent" but his means for judging the rightness or wrongness of actions become more and more convoluted as he tries to justify the increasingly more horrible things that he does. Eventually, he no longer has sound capacity for judgment and thus, he has slipped into being a complete megalomaniac and can be rightfully judged as insane..

I forgot to put in my list a 5th thing: killing his two older brothers. In the Ultimania it says that when Vayne was 16 (Larsa would be 1), Vayne executed his two older brothers because they rebelled against the Empire and that created a breach in trust between Vayne and Gramis. If Gramis wasn't happy about it ... well, it does sound like Vayne *might* have taken matters into his own hands rather than the executions being decided by an official trial. Perhaps that was one of the first key events that made Vayne "reorganize" his views of right and wrong in order to live with himself? And then it is just a downward spiral once Dr. Cid meets Venat (5 years later) and turns to Vayne to help implement Venat's plans. The more Vayne tries to justify his actions, the further he slips into insanity.

Luv your Vayne icon. ;)