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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-07-21 06:52 pm

[ SECRET POST #3121 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3121 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Brooklyn 99]


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[Psych]


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[Mark Ruffalo]


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[Armando Iannucci]


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[MCU, Dr. Helen Cho]


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[The Drew Carey Show]


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[Malcolm Tucker, The Thick of It]


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[Anthony Bourdain]


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(Orange is the New Black)


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(Sense8)









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(Anonymous) 2015-07-22 02:01 am (UTC)(link)
I felt like most of the things that were done with characterization came at the expense of totally ignoring or just failing to cohere with the buildup of the individual films leading up to it

(unlike avengers, which capitalized on that foundation in a really satisfying way)

I think a lot of the other criticisms are valid but relatively minor, that's what ruined the movie for me

it didn't feel like it wanted to be part of the universe I really loved, it felt like Joss was deliberately grabbing the characters away from that universe and saying 'no I want them to be in this OTHER COOLER STORY where they act like THIS'

that and the plot just didn't work for me - tony is a stupid asshole and makes ultron, who I never felt like I understood at all, his villainy felt totally contrived, he didn't follow through on his knight templar stuff, he just wanted to fight the avengers because it was an avengers movie.

And then after totally irresponsible dicking around saving individuals when literally billions were at stake, they destroyed the city before it fell but...the exact same amount of weight is still hitting the earth from the same height, congratulations the earth is doomed??? I realize comic book physics isn't scrupulous but the whole point of that plot as a legitimate stakes-raising threat is 'this is enough falling rocks to cause an extinction event'. They can't put that on the table and then say 'no they're not because cool explosions and the movie is over'. YOU brought gravity up as a weapon instead of magic lasers you can make up the rules for, now I'm thinking about it, and that's not how it works.

And the resolution was 1) wanda and pietro are world heroes now solely because they aren't on board with total planetary destruction, and 2) tony makes the same stupid asshole arrogant loner move with the casket, but this time it works perfectly and makes vision!! yay?

none of that feels admirable or heroic or narratively satisfying to me, like, at all

there were honestly a lot of individual character moments I loved a lot, but the movie as a whole just....failed, on so many levels

(Anonymous) 2015-07-22 02:20 am (UTC)(link)
I hated that Tony was made to make the same mistakes he's ALREADY DEALT WITH. Like his entire phase 1 arc was learning a bigger weapon is not always the right thing, and that he needs other people to help in his life. And then they have him unilaterally make Ultron like that? It didn't make any sense to me, at all. I hated it and it felt like them setting him up to be a quasi-badguy just for the sake of Civil War

[personal profile] solticisekf 2015-07-22 03:15 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not even sure if I want to see Civil War for this reason :/