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⌈ Secret Post #392 ⌋

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Liz will BRB, she got newted

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Everything you just said is true for Edgeworth in the first game, and we didn't need to know him beforehand.

In the very first case of PW1, we meet Mia, find out she's a great defense attorney, meet Larry, Nick's childhood friend who's a spaz, and set up Edgeworth in foreshadowing.

What's more, by virtue of Phoenix being PHOENIX and ERGO being more important, the game suffers. The most common criticism of the otherwise adorkable Apollo is that he's a "weak" character--because the entire game, he's overshadowed by Phoenix. Apollo may be the playble main, but the game is just as much Phoenix's story as it is Apollo's, if not more.

To make matters worse, nearly all of the supporting cast is tied to Phoenix, rather than Apollo. Imagine if in PW1, Edgeworth had been Mia's childhood friend, Larry too--as someone said on 2ch, "Apollo can't even make his own friends?"

Honestly, I strongly believe Phoenix's presence in the game both spits in the face of the first trilogy and the people who loved it, and AJ would have been ten times better had his mentor been Scruffy McExLawyer #3 instead of PHoenix Wright.

Except that for the vast majority of game one, I know that personally I was unable to form any kind of attachment to Edgeworth; I only really cared about halfway through case 4, before that I only cared if Nick got what he wanted- answers. I only started really caring 1-5 and then 2-4.

I do agree in that they overdid the connections to Phoenix, however. Yes, Apollo was overshadowed, they didn't pull it off perfectly; I'm saying that it's not the fact they used Phoenix that makes it like that.

I'm still trying to work out how people think Nick is so much different. I mean, look at all the dodgy things he's done and been prepared to do o_o; I always got the feeling that in 2-4, had he been 100% certain that it was Matt and that he could get away with it, he would have forged evidence (and we still have no proof of the contents of that tape...). I actually assumed it was deliberate and everyone else saw it until I went online...

...I just want to say I hope I don't sound annoyed/grumpy D= it's kinda early for this so I might. I don't mean to be if So ^^;

I think the fact that Phoenix did have the opportunity to do the wrong thing for the right reasons and he still trusted in others enough to do the right thing, even if it meant an absolutely horrible result, clearly shows that Phoenix is not even close to dodgy. Right until the end of the third game, he held every single one of his morals close to him, and never once compromised them. I think that's the most bitter pill to swallow, the very idea that I helped him be the good person he was at the end of 3, and now the game developers are laughing in my face and telling me the person that I helped preserve is inexplicably no more.

Naturally, I will readily admit that in the several years that transpire between 3 and Apollo's game, damn near anything could have happened. Phoenix went from being a complete buffoon (as evidenced in 3-1) to being a capable attorney in the span of less time, if I'm not mistaken. So I suppose a fall from grace isn't out of the realm of possibility, but it's so far on the fringe that its clawing and scraping to keep from falling into the land usually reserved for rancid canon-raping fanfiction.

...and that is the weirdest metaphor I've ever done. *bows and goes to beat herself to death*

1. Best. Metaphor. Ever. We're, like, on GODOT territory here. XD

And, well, I don't know. I've seen people's personalities change more than his has in a couple of years, let alone the seven he went through. And looking at what he DID go through- his entire life changed. I mean, Maya would have to leave basically for good. Master, and all that. Edgeworth would probably have settled in Europe now. No Maya means no Mia, no Pearl. He didn't lose everyone close to him, but he probably didn't see them much. And I don't wish to go into how the disbarment etc occurred for fear of spoilers, bu having to do *that* of all things- I think that would screw anyone up, just from... this is really hard. But I don't think I could do that for seven years, and not come out like he did. I would probably end up much crueller than him.

Godot? *blush* Aww, you know just the thing to say to a girl... ^.^

And now that I see the evidence and the little bit I didn't know before me, I'm beginning to see why this actually might not be the logic leap I thought it was. Now I really can't wait for the game to come out, if nothing more than to feel really, really bad for Phoenix and want to cuddle him and make him feel better. :3

Oh gee, that was my fangirl showing. >_>;

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