[ SECRET POST #3126 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3126 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I refuse to see the movie because it glorifies a wife - beater and makes Marvel seem like it condones domestic Violence.

[(Anonymous)]

That's a really good point. Hm. Sad now.

[(Anonymous)]

Paul Rudd beat his wife?

[(Anonymous)]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kwhDAaNRlJ4/T6ra8OVvkEI/AAAAAAAABb4/6Vp3455SoOE/s320/Henry_Pym_wife_beater.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

A badfic (but published) version of Hank Pym did, in a comic that's been over for a long time.

You may as well claim that Age of Ultron glorifies incest, or Iron Man glorifies alcoholism, or Captain America is anti-French. Mark Millar got everybody wrong.

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[(Anonymous)]

Are you referencing the Ant-Man character in The Ultimates? Because this isn't in that continuity.

Re: ???

[(Anonymous)]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kwhDAaNRlJ4/T6ra8OVvkEI/AAAAAAAABb4/6Vp3455SoOE/s320/Henry_Pym_wife_beater.jpg

ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, that was Hank (not Scott) in one story. He was losing his grip on sanity. He lost her over that, spent years as an ex-superhero, and eventually kind of got better.

That's not a story glorifying domestic violence. The character suffered for his behaviour rather a lot. It's a story about how someone who thinks he's a good guy can do stupid stuff and alienate his friends because of it.

He and Jan even got back together later (which I don't think was necessarily the best choice for their characters, but oh well). And I think he and Tigra were kind of together and had a kid in the most recent comics.

[(Anonymous)]

Hope you don't plan on ever seeing a Fantastic Four or Spider-Man movie either because Reeds has slapped Sue around multiple times and Peter smacked MJ through a wall while she was pregnant.

[(Anonymous)]

First of all, the story you're talking about is exactly one scene in one issue of Ant-Man and it was Hank Pym, and YES, IT WAS A MARVEL COMIC. So, uh, hate to break it to you but this means Marvel condoned it. Marvel condoned a lot of things back in the silver age because SOCIETY was condoning a lot of things and comics are a reflection of society! Funny how that works, right? I'd have a lot to say if Marvel was making a film with that kind of thing TODAY but it's not, because guess what? Comics, even superhero films, have to reflect societal norms. Quelle surprise, nonnie!

[(Anonymous)]

but...Marvel didn't condone it. after that scene, Hank was portrayed as being wrong and regretful of his actions while Janet and the other Avengers were justifiably upset at what he did. your argument about marvel condoning it would work better when applied to the instances where Peter Parker and Reed Richards struck their wives (on a couple of occasions iirc) and didn't really have the actions pointed out as being abusive. they were just sort of accepted in the narrative, which is the exact opposite of what happened in the case of hank and janet

[(Anonymous)]

Allow me to rephrase this then: Marvel published it. That's what I meant by condone. We don't get heroes and villains without a story, and we don't get story without conflict, both internal and external. I don't have a problem with a story being about anybody who does bad things and then redeems themselves eventually; imo those are the best stories because otherwise you have no story. For the record, Hank was also verbally abusive to his wife and that wasn't only one scene, which was part of his issues and downfall and he paid for it.

FYI I was upset Ant-Man wasn't actually about Hank rather than Scott, because I genuinely like Hank and think he's amazing, but I also note Marvel has done things really differently between the comics and the MCU, partially because they don't have a choice (aside from the Disney/ABC thing, we have the whole Sony, no-mutants thing which is really going to affect Civil War next year not to mention the way there are only a couple of secret identities in the MCU anymore), and also because the times, they have changed and they can't pursue things the same way they did in the comics anymore, too much wouldn't be socially accepted. I'm glad Hank is in the film, but I'm sad it's not really the comics Hank, too, because he was a richer character with a lot of history.