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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-07-28 06:49 pm

[ SECRET POST #3128 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3128 ⌋

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[X-Men]


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[Hayley Atwell]


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[Infamous]


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[Tokyo Mew Mew]


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[Peep Show]


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[Rhett & Link/Good Mythical Morning]


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[Brooklyn Nine Nine]


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[Lava]


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(Anonymous) 2015-07-29 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
Starvation wasn't the issue with Japan, they could supply their own food and water. What they couldn't do was replace anything that broke. They either surrendered or went back to the 14thC. The military justifications were being cooked up by MacArthur or his supporters, or as hypothetical scenarios for some of them. MacArthur was pushing for an invasion to rival D-Day in Europe. Ultimately the bombs got dropped because it turned out that if an invasion happened, it would have been from the north and led by Russia, same as what happened in Berlin. Let the Soviets take the brunt and the casualties and the rest of the Allies there to show the flag for the folks back home once it happened.

(Anonymous) 2015-07-29 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
"They either surrendered or went back to the 14thC."

What makes you think they would surrender?

Leningrad sure as hell didn't, even after the deaths topped 1 million and the people were turning to cannibalism.

Plus, I think you're overestimating Japan's capacity to feed itself. By summer of 1945, Japanese planners doubted that the country could feed itself into next year.

Then, of course, you're ignoring the fact that MacArthur and his supporters were far from the only people who wanted to invade Japan or felt it was necessary.

All this is beside the point, though -- I really don't see how anyone can look at the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and decide that they're an unforgivable evil when the firebombing of Tokyo had already occurred.

(Anonymous) 2015-07-29 06:38 am (UTC)(link)
this^^

Especially concerning Japan's inability to feed itself. Part of Japan's justification for colonizing Korea and Manchuria was to have access to agricultural land.

I think that a lot of the reaction to the nuclear bombing is an emotional one. It was a new kind of bomb, so everybody was shocked by the destruction. It was instantaneous and unfamiliar. Also, you have the radiation poisoning for years later, though they didn't know it at the time.
Ultimately though I agree, I don't know if you can really say that /this/ kind of "killing tons of people" is quantifiably worse than /that/ kind. Death by fire is pretty fucking horrible, too.