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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-08-10 06:50 pm

[ SECRET POST #3141 ]


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diet_poison: (Default)

Re: Why

[personal profile] diet_poison 2015-08-12 05:54 am (UTC)(link)
I mostly see it used by the same guys who make generalizations/sexist statements about women/gender in general, ascribe to MRA-style thinking, etc.

you sound like a defensive dude here tbh

Re: Why

(Anonymous) 2015-08-12 05:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I am a little defensive, I don't like how people ascribe shitty thing to men and never question why they do it other than "Everyone knows its only those types of guys" without actually acknowledging the flawed nature of the generalisation. like "Oh I was only talking about the dickheads" Means they can forget about the fact that they just made a generalisation, rather than thinking "Oh shit, that's probably upsetting if you're not a dickhead".

Anyway, in this case, you said "but the way it's expressed" but your justification is "used by the same guys" which sounds more like your objection more about who does it and not how they do it. That being the case, this seems like one of those circular lines of

Re: Why

(Anonymous) 2015-08-12 05:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Disregard above. Finger slipped mid type.

Yeah, I am a little defensive, I don't like how people ascribe shitty thing to men and never question why they do it other than "Everyone knows its only those types of guys" without actually acknowledging the flawed nature of the generalisation. like "Oh I was only talking about the dickheads" Means they can forget about the fact that they just made a generalisation, rather than thinking "Oh shit, that's probably upsetting to hear if you're not a dickhead" and then there's the whole thing of "If you complain about something upsetting you (especially if your a guy) you deserve to be upset" Which is another example of the type of logic I don't like "MRA's complain about mens treatment, MRA's are usually dickheads, so if you're complaining about being mens treatment, you must be a dickhead too".

Anyway, in this case, you said "but the way it's expressed" but your justification is "used by the same guys" which sounds more like your objection more about who does it and not how they do it. That being the case, this seems like one of those circular lines of reasoning:

You experience asshole doing X
You think assholes do X
You think only assholes do X
You see person A doing X
You believe Person A is an asshole and avoid them. Never find out if they're not an asshole.
Goes into you're mental asshole bank
Repeat.
diet_poison: (Default)

Re: Why

[personal profile] diet_poison 2015-08-14 04:44 am (UTC)(link)
okaaaay but. There's a correlation there. It really is mostly assholes doing it. Why do you think it is?

And it's a bit hard to put my finger on it atm, but the thing in and of itself is kinda creepy. It's like looking at a woman and all you can even process about her is the way she looks. It's usually said in a really flippant way, and often a dude's first response to seeing a picture of a woman somewhere (among dudes who do it).