[ SECRET POST #3142 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3142 ⌋

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[Fantastic Four (2015)]


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[Final Fantasy XIV]


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[Hunter x Hunter]


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[TES4:Oblivion]


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[Yukigumi, Otozuki Kei]


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[Vocaloid]


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[Sailor Moon -~ Petite Étrangère~ / Takarazuka OG]


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[A Fire Upon the Deep]


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[clockwise from top right: Static Shock, The Justice Friends, Teen Titans]


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[Sugar Sugar Rune]


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[Sword Art Online]


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(Little Shop Of Horrors)


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[Rookie Blue]


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[Final Fantasy VII]












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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Question for people who are vegetarian or vegan for moral or ethical reasons. Or anyone else that wants to answer

Are some commonly consumed meats more ethical to eat than another? Are some less?

For example: if the life of one cow can provide a literal ton of beef and it would take 500 chicken lives to provide that much poultry, is beef more ethical to eat?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure ethics is a sliding scale like that. Either you think something is ethical or it's not. Is it more ethical to kill one person than a thousand?

[(Anonymous)]

"Is it more ethical to kill one person than a thousand?"

Well, a whole lot of people would say "FUCKING YES?" to that.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know. In my opinion, it's either ethical to do something or it isn't. Just because some other guy kills 1000 people, it doesn't mean that killing one person is okay.

[(Anonymous)]

Huh?? Killing one person is not okay. Killing 1000 people is not okay. Saying that killing one person is more ethical than killing 1000 people does not mean killing one person is magically okay to do! Wow, no! That's not how it works

That's why 'more' and 'less' were used, not 'is right' or 'is wrong'

[(Anonymous)]

I guess you're right. I think of "ethical" as one, defined concept. Like black is black and white is white.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think anyone in this thread understands the definition of ethics.

[(Anonymous)]

Not a vegetarian, but I would find chicken more ethical to eat, because chicken's cause less harm to the environment (bovine CO2 emissions, for one thing, for another, the amount of land cows need to survive = rainforests getting cut down, where as that's not the case with chickens).

Plus, people are more likely to be able to have a backyard chicken coop w/ free range chickens & eggs, rather than a backyard cow, so it's slightly easier to find chickens raised in a humane environment or raise your own in a humane environment.

[(Anonymous)]

True but you could argue that putting 500 chickens through a life of factory farming is less ethical than putting 1 cow through it, and chances are with a random sample of beef and poultry the meat is coming from a factory farm

[(Anonymous)]

In terms of carbon footprint, it's something like insects > fish > poultry > goat/sheep/lamb/pigs > cattle

[(Anonymous)]

Vegetarian here.

Eating meat is not unethical at all. Animals eat meat. It's a part of nature. My problem is that people are sick cruel bastards. Can you really trust that every animal was treated well, and that their suffering was minimised? or, based on your experience of people, do you believe the meat industry is populated by a lot of people who just wanted the opportunity to make something suffer?

So no, there is no ethical issue with eating animals of any kind in and of itself.

[(Anonymous)]

OP

Ah I forgot to add, assuming the meat is coming off a random shelf in a grocery store and is part of the meat industry. Not humanely raised or grown animals from a local farm or anything liket hat

[(Anonymous)]

"Animals eat meat. It's a part of nature."

No offense, but this is a TERRIBLE argument. Animals also rape. Rape is part of nature. I hardly think that diminishes how unethical rape is.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

How about that human ethics can't be applied to animal behavior?

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt2

The original anon is saying we can apply animal ethics to human behavior though. Which is equally wrong then

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

My point was saying that using animal behavior as a standard for human ethics is fundamentally flawed. I used the rape example, but one could use a number of things -- infanticide, animals killing for fun, etc.

[(Anonymous)]

Well I'm a vegetarian for ethical reasons, but those reasons are: I'm against animal cruelty and factory farming, and I'm also against environmentally irresponsible practices. So I am not ethically against eating meat itself if the animal was raised and slaughtered humanely, and in an environmentally responsible way.

So in that case, I'd feel more "ethical" about eating free-range (actually free-range, not just how it's vaguely labeled in the US) meat produced sustainably. Or, say, a deer that was (humanely) hunted.

But I probably still wouldn't eat it because I've been vegetarian for so long, I get literally ill if I try to eat meat now.

[(Anonymous)]

In general, kosher meat is more ethical because one of the laws of kashrut is that the animal must be slaughtered humanely.

[(Anonymous)]

I am an ethical vegan. My goal is to minimize suffering, and I have no interest in supporting an industry that is torturing and killing billions of creatures. If that is your goal, and you still wish to eat meat, the best option would probably be to go for farm-raised animals and wild-caught meat.

Is that your goal, though? If you're coming from an environmental standpoint, your ideas might be different.

[(Anonymous)]

OP

No no my interest isn't in anything more than seeing how people would answer, and whether they considered any particular type of meat e.g. beef poultry pork fish etc more or less ethical to eat than another kind

[(Anonymous)]

if the life of one cow can provide a literal ton of beef and it would take 500 chicken lives to provide that much poultry, is beef more ethical to eat?

Idk, maybe in the hypothetical situation where that ton of meat could save many many lives and there was no other alternative whatsoever. And according to some people's ethics that still would not be okay.

For vegetarians/vegans there is a whole huge bunch of other options to keep alive and well than a ton of meat, so it's unethical.

[intrigueing]

I always just say stuff produced in overcrowded factory farms is unethical and stuff produced in humane environments is ethical. And I say things like veal and lamb are unethical because, well, babies. That's pretty much it. The rest depends on a bunch of complicated stuff related to the economy and agriculture subsidies and can't be oversimplified in a straightforward way.

[herpymcderp]

There are things that are more environmentally damaging to eat, but I wouldn't say there are things that are more or less ethical based on the nutritional worth of the animal. That implies that it is ethically correct to judge one life as more or less worthy than another based on an arbitrary standard (i.e. how many potential lives would be saved).

There are purportedly animals that are more ethical to consume based on how they were treated before they were slaughtered, but I take issue with this notion because they are still not slaughtered in a humane fashion. Make no mistake, slaughterhouses are terrible places. Animals are not killed gently, the way vets euthanize your beloved pet, they are herded into a dark room reeking of blood and death, terrified out of their wits before someone kills them.

I don't find any of that ethical in the slightest.

Although I do still consume the eggs and milk of well-treated animals knowing that most of them are likely to wind up killed in the same manner so my own personal morality is probably not the most rigorous regarding these things, and I'll fully admit that the majority of my own reasons for being a vegetarian stem from environmental and health concerns.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Not my religion, not my problem.

And I'm not even a vegetarian but

[(Anonymous)]

No no no no no, ecologically speaking it is better to eat chicken and pork than it is to eat a cow. Just cutting beef out of your diet does a lot to help the environment. It has to do with resources used to feed the cow, pastures and land used to raise the cattle, etc. You can look it up if you would like more detailed info on that. Though there are cattle farmers that are trying to be more green.