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⌈ Secret Post #3147 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Artistic or pretentious media?

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, I'm not mad about criticism in general. "Pretentiousness" is different to me because it seems to assign a motive to it - like people are being insincere, and doing so on purpose. That's what bothers me about it. If you say my taste is shallow, well, I disagree with you, but you're not saying anything except that I have shitty taste. If you say that I'm pretentious, to me, that means that you're saying that I'm basically lying about what I like. And I'm not. The things I like might be shitty, but I like them.

I guess other people just use "pretentious" as a synonym for "bad" so *shrug*. But, like, the word is what the word is.

Re: Artistic or pretentious media?

[(Anonymous)]

That's not what pretentious means. It doesn't mean "insincere on purpose". It means:

"characterized by assumption of dignity or importance, especially when exaggerated or undeserved" (dictionary.com)

The idea is that something or someone believes themselves to be more dignified and important than it actually is. In the case of movies, if someone called it pretentious, it would mean it felt like the movie thought it was deeper and more profound than it was in actuality.

Re: Artistic or pretentious media?

[(Anonymous)]

2.
making an exaggerated outward show; ostentatious.
3.
full of pretense or pretension; having no factual basis; false.

attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed.

: having or showing the unpleasant quality of people who want to be regarded as more impressive, successful, or important than they really are

making claim to distinction or importance, esp undeservedly
having or creating a deceptive outer appearance of great worth; ostentatious

trying to give the appearance of great importance, esp. in a way that is obvious

Re: Artistic or pretentious media?

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, exactly. Which is generally how I would describe a bad artistic film.

Re: Artistic or pretentious media?

[(Anonymous)]

My point is, most of those definitions impute motive and/or imply insincerity

Re: Artistic or pretentious media?

[(Anonymous)]

I don't get anything about active insincerity in the word. It's not necessarily by definition some conscious choice, but rather just acting more important than is deserved. It's acting falsely, sure. But because it's pretending to be something its not, whether or not it is actually aware of it. It's acting ostentatiously important, or deep, or profound, to the point of pissing everyone else off.

^this

[(Anonymous)]

If you need a comparison, it's the difference between saying you're a fake girl or that your fandom's canon is shit.

Re: ^this

[(Anonymous)]

No... that would be the difference between saying a movie is pretentious, and that someone who likes it is pretentious. In other words, completely different sentences with completely different meanings.

Re: Artistic or pretentious media?

[diet_poison]

This, thank you.

This is how I've basically always seen the word used.