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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-08-21 06:47 pm

[ SECRET POST #3152 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3152 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Biolabs (Ragnarok Online)]


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05. http://i.imgur.com/Y2CLL5n.gif
[moving gif - that Hulk/Black Widow porn one]


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[Dresden Codak]


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07. [SPOILERS for Borderlands 2]
[WARNING for abuse and stuff]



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08. [WARNING for death/suicide]



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[Final Fantasy X]


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10. [WARNING for rape]



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12. [WARNING for underage/sexual assault, transphobia]














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Re: what gender do ypu get id as?

(Anonymous) 2015-08-22 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
I think you're missing out on what a social construct is. A social construct doesn't mean something doesn't exist or there isn't a basis for it, it's socially-assigned value given to an attribute or object.

Money is a social construct.

Re: what gender do ypu get id as?

(Anonymous) 2015-08-22 03:36 am (UTC)(link)
I honestly don't understand here. Money is a social construct because it is a proxy for things of real value like food and labor. Even if the money is made of gold, it's still a proxy, because (outside of certain modern industrial applications) gold has little real value except as a shiny luxury item. It's valuable because you can exchange it for a sandwich. You need a society with an economy for any of this to work.

Gender identity is independent of what a given society says it means to be of a particular gender. I'm not female because I accept everything society says is feminine and reject everything it says is masculine. Money changes value when you move across borders, but I wouldn't stop feeling female if I moved into a society with very different ideas about gender.

Re: what gender do ypu get id as?

(Anonymous) 2015-08-22 03:50 am (UTC)(link)
But that's not the point. The argument is not that gender is socially determined by whatever society you happen to be living in; the point is that it's socially constructed. Your gender is socially constructed in that both the idea of 'feminine' which you have and which makes you feel feminine, and the ideas of the society into which you've moved, are socially determined.

Take the gold example. Money isn't valuable because you can exchange it for a sandwich. The quality "can be exchanged for a sandwich" does not inhere in pieces of paper. Money is valuable because society has determined that you can exchange it for a sandwich. Its value is socially constructed, not because it is a proxy for some other thing, or because it has a function in relation to a specific system, but in the fact that its value and identity are basically a social function rather than being inherent in it.

And that's pretty much what people mean when they talk about gender being a social construct. Gender does not inhere in the person - I mean, at a certain point it mostly does because the ideas that you encounter in your youth tend to shape you going forward, but those ideas don't have any kind of abstract correctness. They're just a set of ideas that society happens to have grouped into these two concepts, and that can vary enormously from society to society.

Compare sex - sex is not socially constructed in the sense that it is (for the most part) biologically given. There is an inherent, factual sex, and the characteristics of what belongs to which sex are biologically determined. So sex does not vary from society to society.