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⌈ Secret Post #3152 ⌋

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[Biolabs (Ragnarok Online)]

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05. http://i.imgur.com/Y2CLL5n.gif
[moving gif - that Hulk/Black Widow porn one]

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[Dresden Codak]

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07. [SPOILERS for Borderlands 2]
[WARNING for abuse and stuff]

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08. [WARNING for death/suicide]

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09. [WARNING for suicide]

[Final Fantasy X]

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10. [WARNING for rape]

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11. [WARNING for rape]

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12. [WARNING for underage/sexual assault, transphobia]

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If that's the only option available to you, you have a responsibility to take it. Three problems, however:

1. This responsibility extends to the consequences. If this course of action leads to incarceration, death, loss of mental stability, etc, this is also something that is your problem, you take responsibility and ownership for that. A good man understands that where ever he finds himself in life he acknowledges that he is the one that put him there.

2. Those consequences could turn to be counter-productive. If you go to prison and your family starves because you are not there to provide, that is your failure, no cries of "I did my best", you have failed and you need to take responsibility and ownership of that.

3. If this man is only capable of seeing these options to provide for his family, he may still be a good man, but he is definitely a fucking stupid one. A smart man will find a better way, or accept in advance the possibility mentioned in 1 and 2. and if he accepts the possibility that his actions will harm his family as stated above then he is no-longer a good man.

Okay. Let's say that, rather than robbing banks, or whatever, the best option for this person to feed his family was to join the Nazi Party and get a job through them.

On your account here, not only would it be fine for this person to work in the Nazi bureaucracy, it would in fact be wrong for him NOT to do it. It would be even more wrong for him to oppose the Nazis in any way, since that would bring a great deal of risk of consequences.

Do you agree with that analysis?

Yes and no. If there was legitimately no other option, no possibility to leave the country with his family, if there was literally no way for him to do anything but join the party, then yes he must do it. In this scenario, he is not the bad guy, the people forcing him into this situation are.

If however he prizes his own sense of morality, self image over the safety and welfare of his family, then can you really say he's a good man?

OK. Well, I respect your consistency, but your conclusions are obviously monstrous. I would absolutely say he's a good man if he refuses to join the party, and it's really fucking sketchy that you reduce morality to self-image, but it's consistent at least.

Although, actually, given the structure of values that you've created here, I'm not sure why it should matter to him whether or not there are any other options. If joining the Nazi Party is the best option for his family, why should it matter whether he can do something else? In your system, the only thing that matters is consideration for the family. So surely by your logic even considering the morality of joining the party is right out - if it would be better for his family, he has t o do it.

Let's take it another step further - say that a family man is asked to hide two Jewish children from the Nazis. By your system of values, it is clearly wrong for him to do so, as it would bring enormous risk to him and his family. Do you agree with that conclusion?

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