[ SECRET POST #3154 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3154 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I wouldn't get on your high horse too quickly. Take it from someone who lived through those times, trans and drag were often used interchangeably since for most trans people actual transition and full time identification was not something that was in any way socially accepted. A lot of people who we would call trans today chose to use the drag label just to allow them some sort of self-expression. It was not a tightly defined term, nor a time period that leant itself to modern definitions.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

But how does that make it right to assume drag = trans? It would be right to assume drag doesn't necessarily mean not trans, but to claim them as transwomen is a step too far, no?

[(Anonymous)]

It was impossible to tell, in many cases, which of the drag queens of the time were what we would call drag queens now and who we would call trans. Trans and drag went by the same label in many cases then.

[(Anonymous)]

I understood that the first time. But I'm pointing out that when there's uncertainty, it's just as wrong to assume and claim people for one group as it is to assume and claim people for the other.

Like, I'm anon. You don't know for sure whether I'm hispanic or black. Insisting I am either one and claiming me for that group is assuming things you don't know, and neither is more correct.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, those fucking trannies ought to shut up. Buncha perverts, we know they didn't exist and oughta stop claiming trannies did used to exist too.

[(Anonymous)]

Wow. Someone is mad that someone is using logic against them.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, I'm on your side. Been bout time someone took those trannies down a fucking peg. You keep on busting their chops, you are doing Jesus' work there man. Give it to them and get them to shut their beards and lipstick!

[(Anonymous)]

Did you respond to the right comment, because that has no bearing on literally anything I said.

[(Anonymous)]

Hey, you are right man. Those trannies keep on claim this person was a tranny and that person was a tranny, and it is all bullshit. Ain't no such thing. We need folks like you to shut them up, get them to keep their perversion to themselves. You keep calling them on it, son, you are doing Jesus' work in shutting them down!

[(Anonymous)]

I fairly explicitly said it goes both ways, so if they didn't say they were non-trans, we shouldn't assume they are cis either.

[(Anonymous)]

You don't need to back pedal with me, we both know that those trannies need to stop claiming honest folks as being theirs. You keep on fighting, you'll do us all proud.

[(Anonymous)]

Believe what you want, we will simply disagree. Bye now.

[(Anonymous)]

stop it

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT-- well, this is an assumption, but presumably at least some of the drag queens who were present then are either still alive, or lived long enough to see more of a demarcation line between trans and drag communities. And those who died while those lines were still being drawn presumably had friends and acquaintances who would know them well enough to say they might have been what today would be considered trans.

Also, I think some of the criticism is valid in that the film apparently focuses on the experience of fictional cis white queer men, rather than the actual people, including trans WOC, cis queer men, lesbians, and drag queens that were actually there. It's weird and I can't think of any reason to tell the story that way that doesn't boil down to a marketing ploy.

[(Anonymous)]

So? They were not trans. There WERE trans people during the protests. But some were drag queens. Maybe today they would be trans, but they did not identify as such at the time. You can't just assume someone was something they are not.

[(Anonymous)]

NO such thing as trans, they was men in drag there. Perverts, but not as big a pervert as those men who claim they are women. I am so glad someone is calling them on their bullshit.

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You seem lost.

[(Anonymous)]

Trufax

[(Anonymous)]

You can't retroactively reassign people based on current thinking. Maybe some of those guys did want to be women, maybe they didn't. Even if you are an age contemporary, it's not for you to decide.