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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-08-23 03:15 pm

[ SECRET POST #3154 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3154 ⌋

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Re: Unpopular Opinions

(Anonymous) 2015-08-23 11:23 pm (UTC)(link)
BLM is quickly becoming a hate movement that is making actual, more legitimate groups look reactionary and radical by association.

Also, it isn't Black Lives Matter to them. It is "Black Lives Matter When Killed By White People."

Re: Unpopular Opinions

(Anonymous) 2015-08-23 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, that bugs me. They completely ignore the insanely high black on black violence/murder rates, abortion rates, and homicide rates in general. It's sad, because black people are murdered by other black people in far greater numbers than cops do.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

(Anonymous) 2015-08-23 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)
DA

I think there is a difference between a murderer who's part of the general populace, and a murderer who is part of a state-backed institution that is supposed to be stopping murders. It's not only the violence, it's the misuse of power to perpetrate violence and/or escape the consequences of it.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

(Anonymous) 2015-08-23 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
okay, but look at it this way: there wouldn't be so many run-ins between black people and the police if black on black violence wasn't such a major issue to begin with. the problem didn't just appear out of thin air.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

(Anonymous) 2015-08-24 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
That doesn't change the fact that if the law, the thing that is supposed to protect you from that violence, then turns against you and perpetrates that violence itself, then there is nowhere for you to turn. If your state itself turns against you, or supports those who hurt you, then there is no safety. What are you supposed to do if the people who are supposed to protect you are the ones assaulting you, and trying to protect yourself against them makes you the criminal?

To have a representative of the law perpetrate baseless violence fundamentally means something different than to have some random civilian on the street do it, because they are a representative of something much bigger than themselves. To have them be supported in that violence by the institution that they represent means something more terrifying again.

Crime and violence are huge problems. If there is no street-level difference between crime and the law, though, that's a whole bigger problem again.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

(Anonymous) 2015-08-24 08:12 am (UTC)(link)
Cop on civilian violence isn't a blacks only thing, it's just no one covers stories unless the victims just happen to be black. Black on white murder is higher than white on black, too. There does need to be something done about overzealous cops, but to completely ignore the other issues within the black community isn't going to help them. Those things aren't going to go away by ignoring them.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

(Anonymous) 2015-08-24 08:35 am (UTC)(link)
And is there a reason not to focus on dealing with the cops first? One problem at a time is how many things get solved, while keeping the rest in mind for later. Widespread crime, socio-economic and cultural problems such as you describe aren't exactly the quickest things to shift, and if crime is the main problem then it actually makes sense to clean up the cops first, to ensure that cleaning the rest up is an exercise in actual law rather than an unequal state-backed exercise in gang warfare.

Telling people not to focus on the problem at hand (and given recent events this problem is at hand, for better or worse) because there are bigger ones around it actually does very little to help. Sort one problem out first, make sure the very process of solving problems from here out has a chance of being fair, and then you can start thinking about the many other ones.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

(Anonymous) 2015-08-24 05:05 am (UTC)(link)
"abortion rates"?

Re: Unpopular Opinions

(Anonymous) 2015-08-24 05:09 am (UTC)(link)
Are you asking for a quote? It's $9.50 an hour.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

(Anonymous) 2015-08-24 11:36 am (UTC)(link)
nyart

I admit: That was actually funny.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

(Anonymous) 2015-08-24 11:36 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure if anon is one of them, but there are a few pro-lifers who seriously argue that abortions are violence against black people. Because a life is a life, so being okay with abortion means you're okay with murdering black people because they're the ones who gets the most abortions! *headdesk*

Re: Unpopular Opinions

(Anonymous) 2015-08-23 11:48 pm (UTC)(link)
If black lives actually mattered to them, they would care about black-on-black violence too. That's a huge problem in my community and I have yet to hear a single person say a word about it.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

(Anonymous) 2015-08-24 11:41 am (UTC)(link)
Because one of the things needed to help that problem are a police force that won't turn on random people that also happen to be black, especially when they're the ones calling for help in the first place. What's so hard to understand about this?

Re: Unpopular Opinions

(Anonymous) 2015-08-25 04:47 am (UTC)(link)
The police force in my area is mostly black too, so no, that isn't the problem here.