[ SECRET POST #3156 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3156 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Spider Riders]


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[Shameless]


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[The Mighty Boosh]


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[Glitch]


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[Fire Emblem: Awakening]


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[Kaikisen]


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[Kingdom Hearts 2]


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[Yu-Gi-Oh]














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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Lol no.

First off. I don't disagree that the situation with Bertha is shitty.

But locking her up in the attic, with a nurse, someone who actively takes care of her, who doesn't abuse her, doesn't chain her...is the best option Bertha had. Whatever her mental illness is, if she had been placed in an asylum, things would have been INCREDIBLY worse for her. It would have resulted in a lobotomy, or worse. Most likely repeatedly sexually assaulted, abused, beaten, and all the other horrible things they did asylums back then.

She repeatedly does things as a result of her mental illness, and Rochester never raises an unkind to her.

I don't remember him blaming it on her being promiscuous, but that sort of 'hysterics' was seen as a symptom of mental illness. WHICH IS NOT RIGHT but it was of that time.

He makes it actively clear that he has no idea if Adele is his. He's pretty sure she isn't, in fact. Also, fathering a bastard or not, he DID NOT have to take care of her. He could have put her in an orphanage, or left her with her mother. But instead he takes her in, finds her a teacher, takes care of her, and buys her shit.

Yes, a decent person would never abandon a child, but people with money like him did it all the fucking time.

No one saying he's Mr. Darcy. He isn't (and Mr Darcy has his own fucking issues). He is a complicated man, and misrepresenting the events in the book (especially removing the context of the time period in which it was written) is really disingenuous.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed. It's not like his behaviour is perfect, but for the time he actually behaves quite honourably towards his ward and wife. It could have been much worse for both of them.

How he acts towards Adele is even supposed to be contrasted to his otherwise rough behaviour, in my opinion. It's supposed to make the ladies swoon as it shows he has a hidden heart, but that he tries to hide it.

[(Anonymous)]

Re treatment of mentally ill women during the period, I was going to say. I haven't read Jane Eyre, but it was published in 1847, and views on madness and women at the time were ... well, put bluntly, rather horrifying.

He imprisons his first wife and blames her mental illnesss on her slutty behaviour

I'm not sure how accurate this is to the book, as I said I haven't read it, but OP should definitely look up Victorian asylums pre-the 1850s reforms, and also look up Victorian views on women, nymphomania, and madness. Even if Rochester did in fact blame her mental illness on promiscuity, that actually was a prevailing view at the time (along with women being too mentally fragile for intellectual pursuits and prone to becoming mad from reading too much), and yes, keeping her in his own attic genuinely would have been better than the asylums at the time. Mental patients were considered to be subhuman, closer to animals, and they were kept in animal-like conditions, in places where that was often the least of their worries.

[(Anonymous)]

You act like there's no middle ground between being locked up in an attic and adequately fed and getting sexually assaulted in an insane asylum. Hello, Rochester is rich. There are plenty of better options for Bertha than what he did. Off the top of my head? Comfortable house somewhere in the countryside with nurses who aren't drunk to look after her, and relative freedom to roam (under supervision) instead of being LOCKED IN A FREAKING ATTIC.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah but like, the one time Bertha did get out, she set fire to the house and leapt to her death.

[(Anonymous)]

Because... there wasn't. It's part of what makes the whole thing so shitty. Or do you happen to have examples of rich people putting their mentally ill relatives with nurses in countryside houses around 1810-1820? Considering the Victorian views on women and madness I very much doubt it.

[(Anonymous)]

THANK YOU.

I did not enjoy this novel. I found it rather insipid and the romance didn't appeal to me at all (I'm an Anne Bronte girl, myself). But seeing it misrepresented and mischaracterized so blatantly was really getting surreal.

[(Anonymous)]

Minor historical quibble with your point: the lobotomy was not invented until the 20th century.

[(Anonymous)]

THANK YOU!

[(Anonymous)]

Not lobotomized - the procedure wasn't invented till the mid 1900s and the book takes place during the Regency era in the early 1800s.

[arcadiaego]

Yes, if I recall correctly he says her promiscuity was a symptom of her illness. It's all very fucked up according to ideas about mental illness of the time but he's actually rather nicer to her than most people would have been. (Which isn't a ringing endorsement, I realise.) He's a weak willed man who didn't know what to do.