[ SECRET POST #3157 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3157 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

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[kaijinscendre]

I feel like there is a tag for this. I just can't recall it.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, there's already several permutations of "enemies to friends to lovers"

This is more like "rapist to lover" I guess? (which does not exists on Ao3 eitehr canonically or freeform)

[(Anonymous)]

I would probably end up using dubcon for a relationship that ends up with them in love, maybe also mindfuck or Stockholm syndrome depending on the type of abuse and relationship. And then I end up with READERS wondering why I labelled my highly fuck-up relationship as abuse/dubcon because omg so romantic and they love each other!

[(Anonymous)]

Stockholm syndrome is an excellent tag to use for fics like these, because most of the "omg rape & abuse fic is so romantic" readers will be too stupid to know what it means, so they won't complain that you're ruining their otp fwuffy rape romance delusion.

[(Anonymous)]

I want there to be a standardized name for that scenario that people can tag their work with. I've seen people mention it in tags in various ways, and I appreciate it, but I want something I can slap into my gigantic sprawling list of exclusion tags to get consistent results.

[(Anonymous)]

What about "romantic dubcon"?

[(Anonymous)]

Thiiiiiiiisssss. I love reading fucked-up abusive relationships with non-con. But NOT WHEN IT DEVELOPS INTO A GOOD THING.

[(Anonymous)]

How about the writers doing the warning?

[i_paint_the_sky]

While writers could tag for it, they can't warn for it unless AO3 adds it as an Archive Warning. Right now that is limited to Graphic Depictions Of Violence, Major Character Death, Rape/Non-Con, and Underage.

Granted, this idea would have the Rape/Non-Con warning, but doesn't quite cover what OP is getting out.

[(Anonymous)]

Writers do, when they're aware of it. Too often, the writer thinks it wasn't really rape or it wasn't really love, so no problems there!

[(Anonymous)]

It seems like the vast majority of people who write this don't even recognize the abuse/dubcon/noncon aspects, so it's often not labelled at all.

[litalex]

Interestingly, I've just heard the very same complaint at a multifandom Chinese slash forum...

[(Anonymous)]

So many fics I've come across which rape clearly has occurred (coercion, violence, victim repeatedly saying no) and then the writer absolutely refuses to even consider that rape might have happened, much less warn for it. Because their characters are in love, so it's okay!

It really dents my faith in humanity, and makes me so glad that I'm never, ever going to have sex with these people.

So anyway, yes, the worst fics are by writers who will never even understand that their "romantic" sex scenes were actually shocking depictions of abuse. So a tag to warn for that wouldn't help any.

[everbright]

Hilariously, this was (is?) actually a trope in pro Romance, up to and including the authors not understanding it was Stockholm-y. I read a Sandra Hill novel 'Sweeter Savage Love' years ago that was based on lampshading it. The main character wrote a book on the trend and named dropped an old Rosemary Rodgers
romance novel that used it, then there was time travel and stuff?

How the fuck do I still remember this shit? I stopped reading romance novels in like 2003.